Dude. All I'm suggesting is a fairer voting system, I'm not trying to completely re-organise how the contest is run... I never "actively tried to seek problems with it", I'd rather you didn't accuse me of such.

And what's wrong with suggestions anyway? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

lol but thats my point

look ugx thought of something

now lets all just point out everything wrong with it

everytime

lol anyway i aint making a deal, im just saying its so typical

thanks for all the maps you guys made for us good job guys winning the contest

As long as we're all talking about things that should have been different about the contest, my personal opinion is that we should have not allowed the same consecutive winner for a mapping contest.

I see your point about the voting system, but I'm not going to go through the trouble of editing SMF's voting system. We can't really switch to a third party polling system because then we have no way of verifying that each vote is from a legitimate person and that no one is abusing the system.

As long as we're all talking about things that should have been different about the contest, my personal opinion is that we should have not allowed the same consecutive winner for a mapping contest.

I see your point about the voting system, but I'm not going to go through the trouble of editing SMF's voting system. We can't really switch to a third party polling system because then we have no way of verifying that each vote is from a legitimate person and that no one is abusing the system.

that's okay I didn't know you had to vote or common. I can see a lot of people making accounts to cheat if it was a vote button

As long as we're all talking about things that should have been different about the contest, my personal opinion is that we should have not allowed the same consecutive winner for a mapping contest.

But, trem, then Jbird would have no reason to come back. 

Had lots of fun participating, glad I at least won 3rd, thanks for anyone who voted for me, mainly entered to win to get a better laptop to make better maps for you guys in the community, just ran out of time with moving and getting my license this year, hopefully next contest I can focus more, have a much better PC instead of a standard walmart one, and we can do it with bo3 mod tools

As long as we're all talking about things that should have been different about the contest, my personal opinion is that we should have not allowed the same consecutive winner for a mapping contest.

Yeah, my opinion obviously isn't worth more than anyone else, especially not yours, but I think that would be doing a disservice to the community.  Skilled mappers shouldn't be penalized.   They set a high bar, and create challenges for others to break.

I see your point about the voting system, but I'm not going to go through the trouble of editing SMF's voting system. We can't really switch to a third party polling system because then we have no way of verifying that each vote is from a legitimate person and that no one is abusing the system.

Personally I think it would be better if winners and losers are chosen by staff that are impartial and non-biased, but that might limit your number of judges to a handful of people that can be trusted.  The obvious downside of judging is it can impact personal relationships.

Just my point of view, maybe it's good feedback or not, I've said enough already. lol

Personally I think it would be better if winners and losers are chosen by staff that are impartial and non-biased, but that might limit your number of judges to a handful of people that can be trusted.  The obvious downside of judging is it can impact personal relationships.

Just my point of view, maybe it's good feedback or not, I've said enough already. lol

This was how we handled our last UGX mapping contest and it didn't really turn out any better.

Congrats to all the people that participate on the contest!  8)

This was how we handled our last UGX mapping contest and it didn't really turn out any better.

There's really no way to handle it without people disagreeing on the results. If we had chosen the winners ourselves then we would have chosen differently than the results of the contest and people would be upset. And now we left it up to the community to decide and big surprise people are still upset lol.

I understand your POV of this, and I'm not trying to start an argument, but I'd like to say:

IMHO the most important thing isn't how happy the public is by the turnout -- they'll never be happy. To me, the most important aspect is the fairness of the contest.

The fundamental flaw with public voting is that 99% of the population DOES NOT play every map. Most people probably play only one or two of the maps, then vote.

I played most of the contest maps: however, I refrained from voting, as I felt it would be unfair if I voted without playing every map.

The saddest thing, to me at least, is that casual players who visit UGX once every 3 months, posting nothing and only DL'ing maps, are able to hop onto the contest page, say

"Oh there's Jbird/Chroma/whoever else (no offense to these 2, just examples), I know them so I'll play their map and vote for it"

And then these players promptly vote for said map without playing any others. It sucks, because just imagine if the best map was one with an unflashy title and WiP, made by an unknown, and nobody played it for said reasons and it lost despite its quality.

So, I would just like to bring that up in case you maybe didn't think about it. Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work UGX and ZomMod staff and mappers put into this, so please don't take this as shit-talking, just wanted to say how I feel.

The saddest thing, to me at least, is that casual players who visit UGX once every 3 months, posting nothing and only DL'ing maps, are able to hop onto the contest page, say

"Oh there's Jbird/Chroma/whoever else (no offense to these 2, just examples), I know them so I'll play their map and vote for it"

And then these players promptly vote for said map without playing any others. It sucks, because just imagine if the best map was one with an unflashy title and WiP, made by an unknown, and nobody played it for said reasons and it lost despite its quality.

So, I would just like to bring that up in case you maybe didn't think about it. Anyway, I REALLY appreciate the work UGX and ZomMod staff and mappers put into this, so please don't take this as shit-talking, just wanted to say how I feel.

believe me we're already aware of this and it's sad.

i voted for encampment it had a bit much foliage but i liked the layout so congratulations to all the contest maps, they was fun to explore and discover. People voiced their opinions and the maps that won did not directly win because they ware BAD rather the opposite if nobody enjoyed them they would vote for something else.  the maps with most effort put into them deserved to win.

believe me we're already aware of this and it's sad.

Yeah, I figured you guys did. Congratulations to all of you for the successful contest nonetheless, it brought a lot of new maps to the community: I just hope that the mappers will follow up in good faith and work to update/improve their maps with time. Anyway, as Radi said, I still feel like the contest results were pretty fair, and I guess nothing is perfect.

All other maps submitted are eligible for the runner-up $10 prize.

Does this imply we all get $10 basically for just participating or will there be another vote for the runner up(s)?

Congratulations to the winners! I don't think I will ever join one of these contests, but if I did, I would want them to be voted on and judged the way this one was done. I think you guys did a good job in letting the community choose.

Only thing I would think of adding is separating prize moneys by giving categories. Best mapping, best features, best custom content, best whatever, then give multiple voting poles, rather than 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, or along with, idk. At least I hear people break down maps this way anyway, especially in the review section.

I only had time to play one of the maps so that is what I voted for. Guilty. Keep up the good work.