First place: Abandoned School by JBird632
Second place: Encampment by ProRevenge
Third Place: Project Yeti by chromastone10
All other maps submitted are eligible for the runner-up $10 prize.


Remember that you need to wait the 7 day exclusivity period before posting your maps for download on any other website besides UGX and ZomMods, or your prize payment will NOT be issued.

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congrats guys!

1st place isn't a surprise, but 2nd and 3rd place results are a little unexpected.

After Jbird's map most of the maps were closer and tougher to evaluate.

I would have assumed gamer9294's "Abandoned Mine" would have placed 2nd or 3rd even with the darkness issues.  There was a lot of thought and interesting gameplay mechanics included in that map.

1st place isn't a surprise, but 2nd and 3rd place results are a little unexpected.

After Jbird's map most of the maps were closer and tougher to evaluate.

I would have assumed gamer9294's "Abandoned Mine" would have placed 2nd or 3rd even with the darkness issues.  There was a lot of thought and interesting gameplay mechanics included in that map.

There's really no way to handle it without people disagreeing on the results. If we had chosen the winners ourselves then we would have chosen differently than the results of the contest and people would be upset. And now we left it up to the community to decide and big surprise people are still upset lol.

There's really no way to handle it without people disagreeing on the results. If we had chosen the winners ourselves then we would have chosen differently than the results of the contest and people would be upset. And now we left it up to the community to decide and big surprise people are still upset lol.

Not upset, I'm just surprised by the results.  Well I guess actually not maybe.   

Not upset, I'm just surprised by the results.  Well I guess actually not maybe.

Wasn't implying that you specifically were upset, was just speaking in general. There are people who are upset.

I knew these maps would be top 3 lol. Only difference is that i thought chroma's map would get 2nd. Good job map creators

I realise this isn't really possible with SMF polls, but it would have been good to see a voting system in which users can vote for their top 3, rather than being limited to 1 vote.

For example. 5 users want to vote. Their favourite maps are:
(i'm just picking random maps here)


Now, if the 5 users only have 1 vote, then the results look like this:

If, for example, users could vote for their top 3 in order - where 3 points goes to their favourite, 2 points to 2nd and 1 point to their 3rd - then the results look like this:

The latter table is obviously much fairer and represents users' opinions more accurately. I think something like this should be implemented into future contests.

By the way my tables don't represent my own opinion, I just picked random maps to illustrate my point

I realise this isn't really possible with SMF polls, but it would have been good to see a voting system in which users can vote for their top 3, rather than being limited to 1 vote.

For example. 5 users want to vote. Their favourite maps are:
(i'm just picking random maps here)

	1st favourite	2nd favourite	3rd favourite
User 1	Abandoned School	Encampment	Project Yeti
User 2	Project Yeti	Abandoned School	Dead Palace
User 3	Encampment	Estate	The Abandoned Mine
User 4	Abandoned School	Dead Palace	Encampment
User 5	Zombie San Cristobal	Dead Palace	Wayne Manor

Now, if the 5 users only have 1 vote, then the results look like this:

Spoiler: click to open...

Abandoned School	2
Project Yeti	1
Encampment	1
Zombie San Cristobal	1
The Abandoned Mine	0
Wayne Manor	0
Dead Palace	0
Estate	0

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If, for example, users could vote for their top 3 in order - where 3 points goes to their favourite, 2 points to 2nd and 1 point to their 3rd - then the results look like this:

Spoiler: click to open...

Abandoned School	9
Encampment	6
Dead Palace	5
Project Yeti	4
Estate	2
The Abandoned Mine	1
Wayne Manor	1
Zombie San Cristobal	1

[close]

The latter table is obviously much fairer and represents users' opinions more accurately. I think something like this should be implemented into future contests.

By the way my tables don't represent my own opinion, I just picked random maps to illustrate my point

If all of those people picked Abandoned School as their first choice then it wouldnt change the results from what they already are, it would just make the other maps have higher numbers associated with them.

If all of those people picked Abandoned School as their first choice then it wouldnt change the results from what they already are, it would just make the other maps have higher numbers associated with them.

That's not the point I'm making though. In a future contest, users' opinions of a map may not be reflected in the results if they're limited to only 1 vote. It doesn't matter if Abandoned School wins either way, the point is that the remaining results don't represent the user opinions and the results aren't as fair as they could be.

Maps "having numbers associated with them" is what voting results are. The example table I used was just to illustrate how it could unfold. A map that people really like may come 4th or 5th under a 1 vote system, but if people are allowed to choose their top 3 it may come 3rd, and the mapper wins a better prize.

why are we all "suggesting changes" yet again to something thought up by the site staff here?

always "actively trying" to find some sort of problem with it?

Its their choice how they run it, and no matter how they do anything someone "suggests" something. Whats wrong with just following as its given? Is that such a problem?

Its a simple contest, you get one vote. Thats it. Its not a army movement campaign

why are we all "suggesting changes" yet again to something thought up by the site staff here?

always "actively trying" to find some sort of problem with it?

Its their choice how they run it, and no matter how they do anything someone "suggests" something. Whats wrong with just following as its given? Is that such a problem?

Its a simple contest, you get one vote. Thats it. Its not a army movement campaign

Dude. All I'm suggesting is a fairer voting system, I'm not trying to completely re-organise how the contest is run... I never "actively tried to seek problems with it", I'd rather you didn't accuse me of such.

And what's wrong with suggestions anyway? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion?

I realise this isn't really possible with SMF polls, but it would have been good to see a voting system in which users can vote for their top 3, rather than being limited to 1 vote.

Expressed similar thoughts here prior to the contest ending.  Granted, it was too late to even consider this and SMF limitations could preclude implementation of weighted distribution.

http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,9289.msg103356.html#msg103356

If all of those people picked Abandoned School as their first choice then it wouldnt change the results from what they already are, it would just make the other maps have higher numbers associated with them.

There can be inherent issues with polling accuracy when limiting users to a single choice.   

If only 1st place counted then a single vote can reflect accurately when controlled (and randomized).   However results can be skewed beneath 1st place without additional weights and measures to control for selection bias and other factors of a pool or sample.

Abandoned School was the best map, and deserved first place.  I think we'd both agree on that, and most users would too.
After that the competition was a lot closer.   Here is where things get a bit more complex. Do users vote with their first choice (Abandoned School) assuming that it will win regardless, or vote to influence 2nd or 3rd place. 

Of the 39 users that voted for Abandoned School, how would those users voted if given the opportunity to select a 2nd or 3rd choice with less weighting?   

If even half of those 39 users voted the same on a 2nd or 3rd choice then 2nd and 3rd place may reflect different results.

This is what Koan is aiming at in his response.  I understand and also share similar sentiments.