Hey guys, I've been on the ZM site lately, and it seems like there's some hate towards UGX, I mean there's guys calling UGX Wankers and stuff... Just asking what's going on between 'em?

There's strange things going on on ZM lately. Ever since the ZM founder Darkflame decided to break his own rules regarding offensive behaviour and pornographic matherial other members felt free to do that too and now their hate goes towards almost everything.

i use both and it seems to me like some childish behaviour from minority tbh.

Sad really seeing as we are all trying to acheive the same things from our mapping but hey ho it takes all sorts

and WELCOME by the way


i would also like to add that on this site i feel everyone is far more understanding and supportive of new mappers.

Theres petty hate to UGX from TMG & ZM, and ZM dislike everyone, I've had enough of it tbh, but if you speak too honestly, your liable to get banned especially on ZM, i lost it when i saw the hate ZK's prison mission received, its better than most recent ZM maps (half of which are box maps and (technically 6 year old) stock maps), but once in a blue moon, a decent map comes out only on there such as AwesomePieMans maps, thats the only thing keeping me there, but most of the time, this is the site i like to be on.

Hello and welcome to the site.

You won't see that kind of behavior on this website because we are all mature individuals who can behave ourselves and avoid throwing our own dung over the wall to see if we can hit anybody on the other side.

If you want to learn more about why they behave in such a way, I suggest taking a psychology lecture course. Or reading this topic

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When I first came to ZM there were people who always had to joke about the questions or the good feedback I gave, not going to mention any names......

Then I came to TMG, I felt alone there because there were no one who barely posted anything. I don't know so much about TMG so I can't say much about it.

And then I came to this site were people were mature, and I get more respect here. 

And then I also found GCZ were I also get respected and they are also are very mature. 

So right now I only post here and GCZ!

Also, welcome to the site @Babypimp!

In addition to what everyone else has said, ZM also allows maps with illegal assets to be released onto their site. Creating a custom zombie map with these assets is a HUGE violation of the Agreement when you download mod tools

now to be fair, certain members within the UGX community also engage in this same violation. So neither is perfect in this regard, However it isn't nearly as bad.

nothing like hoppin on the computer to download some custom zombies map with my 10 year old son sitting next to me on his computer and porn popping up in the chat box at ZM. Kind of awkward I must say

porn, childish admins that will ban you if  you dont laugh at their stupid jokes, ugx came from zm but that was a huge step forward instead of complaing about everyting.
i remember that if you ask something "easy to do" their faggot admins will hate you and throw stupid jokes(and ban you because you didnt liked them lol) and they said like 7 months ago that they didnt care because the site wasnt going to be a custom zombies site anymore....they still are so, FTW!?

nothing like hoppin on the computer to download some custom zombies map with my 10 year old son sitting next to me on his computer and porn popping up in the chat box at ZM. Kind of awkward I must say

That EXACT same thing happened with me too!?

I was sitting at the laptop and my 10 year old son walked in the door from school and sat beside me and as soon as I clicked the link to open the site, I was met by a ton of porn on the main page. Was very awkward.

Strange coincidence. lol.

In addition to what everyone else has said, ZM also allows maps with illegal assets to be released onto their site. Creating a custom zombie map with these assets is a HUGE violation of the Agreement when you download mod tools

now to be fair, certain members within the UGX community also engage in this same violation. So neither is perfect in this regard, However it isn't nearly as bad.

Not trying to be mean, but your arguement is somewhat invalid. Here's why:

A. The agreement you mention is not about releasing maps with custom content. It's about selling your maps you make which is illegal.
B. I release maps with custom content, yet they are legal. Why? I own the game I port models from, and release the maps for free. Perfectly legal (according to the Activison agreement).
C. It's illegal if I give assets to another mapper who doesn't own the game. That's stealing and illegal.
D. Technically, the UGX Mod is then illegal (if you don't own black ops or other games assets are from). Not hating in UGX here, it's a great mod.

Please, I don't want to start a war, just want to inform people. (Like how most people think Activison makes CoD, which is just plain wrong... for example).

Not trying to be mean, but your arguement is somewhat invalid. Here's why:

A. The agreement you mention is not about releasing maps with custom content. It's about selling your maps you make which is illegal.

I suppose it doesn't matter if you make a map with them or not, just that you associated them with the "New Game Materials". Either way it violates your contract.

B. I release maps with custom content, yet they are legal. Why? I own the game I port models from, and release the maps for free. Perfectly legal (according to the Activison agreement).

This is a really good argument that people like to use this to justify ripping assets from games, but the matter of the fact is that your ripping assets that you didn't have explicit permission to do so, and as the contract puts it:

New Game Materials must not contain any illegal, obscene or defamatory materials, materials that infringe rights of privacy and publicity of third parties or (without appropriate irrevocable licenses granted specifically for that purpose) any trademarks, copyright-protected works or other properties of third parties.

So yes, you are violating the agreement to a degree if you rip assets from Black Ops 2 or Ghosts.

 

C. It's illegal if I give assets to another mapper who doesn't own the game. That's stealing and illegal.

This is what i meant by "Illegal", i should have been more specific. But yeah, a lot of users within the community like getting their friends to port them assets that they haven't legally purchased themselves.

D. Technically, the UGX Mod is then illegal (if you don't own black ops or other games assets are from). Not hating in UGX here, it's a great mod.

Because the UGX team has legally bought copies of Modern Warfare and Black Ops, they have the right to add them to World at War as a "mod" (as allowed by the written agreement that comes with all mod tools), even if the files in the "mod"  contain assets that a user who doesn't have them plays the "mod" its still covered by the agreement.

However, i can not say the same for the weapons from Modern Warfare 2, Modern Warfare 3, and Black Ops 2 that are in the mod.

So according to your arguement ( from my point d), I can call my map a mod and its legal? Doesn't seem right. So if UGX bought the game and import the asset, that's illegal. But if they call it a mod, that's legal? Doesn't seem right. I could get ripped weapons from a game I don't own, but call it a mod and that would be ok? (I think that's what your saying, since the word mod makes it legal)

So according to your arguement ( from my point d), I can call my map a mod and its legal? Doesn't seem right. So if UGX bought the game and import the asset, that's illegal. But if they call it a mod, that's legal? Doesn't seem right. I could get ripped weapons from a game I don't own, but call it a mod and that would be ok? (I think that's what your saying, since the word mod makes it legal)

No, if they bought the content & put it into a mod for others to play, then it is legal. However if they got the assets from someone else, it isn't legal.

When i said "mod" i was talking about how Modern Warfare, World at War, and Black ops all have explicit agreements saying that you can use the contents of each other on another game that explicitly permits such.

For example, Lets say Left 4 Dead 2 had an agreement saying that i could put the assets from the game into a third party game(World at War) that would be legal because A) i bought the game, B) i'm not giving it to someone C) It is stated within the contract that i have the right to do so.

If its a "Mod" i'm not giving raw assets to people, though you could extract them if you really wanted to. its ot really the responsibility of the mod creator of what people do with the packaged mod, as they followed the legal guidelines.