UGX-Mods
Everything Else => General Discussion => Topic started by: BabyPimp on March 05, 2014, 06:28:24 pm
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Hey guys, I've been on the ZM site lately, and it seems like there's some hate towards UGX, I mean there's guys calling UGX Wankers and stuff... Just asking what's going on between 'em?
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There's strange things going on on ZM lately. Ever since the ZM founder Darkflame decided to break his own rules regarding offensive behaviour and pornographic matherial other members felt free to do that too and now their hate goes towards almost everything.
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i use both and it seems to me like some childish behaviour from minority tbh.
Sad really seeing as we are all trying to acheive the same things from our mapping but hey ho it takes all sorts
and WELCOME by the way
i would also like to add that on this site i feel everyone is far more understanding and supportive of new mappers.
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Theres petty hate to UGX from TMG & ZM, and ZM dislike everyone, I've had enough of it tbh, but if you speak too honestly, your liable to get banned especially on ZM, i lost it when i saw the hate ZK's prison mission received, its better than most recent ZM maps (half of which are box maps and (technically 6 year old) stock maps), but once in a blue moon, a decent map comes out only on there such as AwesomePieMans maps, thats the only thing keeping me there, but most of the time, this is the site i like to be on.
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Hello and welcome to the site.
You won't see that kind of behavior on this website because we are all mature individuals who can behave ourselves and avoid throwing our own dung over the wall to see if we can hit anybody on the other side.
If you want to learn more about why they behave in such a way, I suggest taking a psychology lecture course. Or reading this (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=177.msg1016) topic :)
And this (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=1331.msg14407#msg14407).
And this (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=1241).
And this (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=1030).
And this (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=432.msg3699#msg3699).
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When I first came to ZM there were people who always had to joke about the questions or the good feedback I gave, not going to mention any names......
Then I came to TMG, I felt alone there because there were no one who barely posted anything. I don't know so much about TMG so I can't say much about it.
And then I came to this site were people were mature, and I get more respect here. :)
And then I also found GCZ were I also get respected and they are also are very mature. :)
So right now I only post here and GCZ! :D
Also, welcome to the site @Babypimp!
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In addition to what everyone else has said, ZM also allows maps with illegal assets to be released onto their site. Creating a custom zombie map with these assets is a HUGE violation of the Agreement when you download mod tools
now to be fair, certain members within the UGX community also engage in this same violation. So neither is perfect in this regard, However it isn't nearly as bad.
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nothing like hoppin on the computer to download some custom zombies map with my 10 year old son sitting next to me on his computer and porn popping up in the chat box at ZM. Kind of awkward I must say
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porn, childish admins that will ban you if you dont laugh at their stupid jokes, ugx came from zm but that was a huge step forward instead of complaing about everyting.
i remember that if you ask something "easy to do" their faggot admins will hate you and throw stupid jokes(and ban you because you didnt liked them lol) and they said like 7 months ago that they didnt care because the site wasnt going to be a custom zombies site anymore....they still are so, FTW!?
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nothing like hoppin on the computer to download some custom zombies map with my 10 year old son sitting next to me on his computer and porn popping up in the chat box at ZM. Kind of awkward I must say
That EXACT same thing happened with me too!?
I was sitting at the laptop and my 10 year old son walked in the door from school and sat beside me and as soon as I clicked the link to open the site, I was met by a ton of porn on the main page. Was very awkward.
Strange coincidence. lol.
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In addition to what everyone else has said, ZM also allows maps with illegal assets to be released onto their site. Creating a custom zombie map with these assets is a HUGE violation of the Agreement when you download mod tools
now to be fair, certain members within the UGX community also engage in this same violation. So neither is perfect in this regard, However it isn't nearly as bad.
Not trying to be mean, but your arguement is somewhat invalid. Here's why:
A. The agreement you mention is not about releasing maps with custom content. It's about selling your maps you make which is illegal.
B. I release maps with custom content, yet they are legal. Why? I own the game I port models from, and release the maps for free. Perfectly legal (according to the Activison agreement).
C. It's illegal if I give assets to another mapper who doesn't own the game. That's stealing and illegal.
D. Technically, the UGX Mod is then illegal (if you don't own black ops or other games assets are from). Not hating in UGX here, it's a great mod.
Please, I don't want to start a war, just want to inform people. (Like how most people think Activison makes CoD, which is just plain wrong... for example).
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Not trying to be mean, but your arguement is somewhat invalid. Here's why:
A. The agreement you mention is not about releasing maps with custom content. It's about selling your maps you make which is illegal.
I suppose it doesn't matter if you make a map with them or not, just that you associated them with the "New Game Materials". Either way it violates your contract.
B. I release maps with custom content, yet they are legal. Why? I own the game I port models from, and release the maps for free. Perfectly legal (according to the Activison agreement).
This is a really good argument that people like to use this to justify ripping assets from games, but the matter of the fact is that your ripping assets that you didn't have explicit permission to do so, and as the contract puts it:
New Game Materials must not contain any illegal, obscene or defamatory materials, materials that infringe rights of privacy and publicity of third parties or (without appropriate irrevocable licenses granted specifically for that purpose) any trademarks, copyright-protected works or other properties of third parties.
So yes, you are violating the agreement to a degree if you rip assets from Black Ops 2 or Ghosts.
C. It's illegal if I give assets to another mapper who doesn't own the game. That's stealing and illegal.
This is what i meant by "Illegal", i should have been more specific. But yeah, a lot of users within the community like getting their friends to port them assets that they haven't legally purchased themselves.
D. Technically, the UGX Mod is then illegal (if you don't own black ops or other games assets are from). Not hating in UGX here, it's a great mod.
Because the UGX team has legally bought copies of Modern Warfare and Black Ops, they have the right to add them to World at War as a "mod" (as allowed by the written agreement that comes with all mod tools), even if the files in the "mod" contain assets that a user who doesn't have them plays the "mod" its still covered by the agreement.
However, i can not say the same for the weapons from Modern Warfare 2, Modern Warfare 3, and Black Ops 2 that are in the mod.
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So according to your arguement ( from my point d), I can call my map a mod and its legal? Doesn't seem right. So if UGX bought the game and import the asset, that's illegal. But if they call it a mod, that's legal? Doesn't seem right. I could get ripped weapons from a game I don't own, but call it a mod and that would be ok? (I think that's what your saying, since the word mod makes it legal)
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So according to your arguement ( from my point d), I can call my map a mod and its legal? Doesn't seem right. So if UGX bought the game and import the asset, that's illegal. But if they call it a mod, that's legal? Doesn't seem right. I could get ripped weapons from a game I don't own, but call it a mod and that would be ok? (I think that's what your saying, since the word mod makes it legal)
No, if they bought the content & put it into a mod for others to play, then it is legal. However if they got the assets from someone else, it isn't legal.
When i said "mod" i was talking about how Modern Warfare, World at War, and Black ops all have explicit agreements saying that you can use the contents of each other on another game that explicitly permits such.
For example, Lets say Left 4 Dead 2 had an agreement saying that i could put the assets from the game into a third party game(World at War) that would be legal because A) i bought the game, B) i'm not giving it to someone C) It is stated within the contract that i have the right to do so.
If its a "Mod" i'm not giving raw assets to people, though you could extract them if you really wanted to. its ot really the responsibility of the mod creator of what people do with the packaged mod, as they followed the legal guidelines.
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Clearly UGX is better 1. They have their own mod. 2. They make better maps. Although I would like to say I like the zombie modding website better! But I think UGX puts too much time in to their maps making them the best maps in the world so thats why I love them xD. But also they even have apps to install there maps and a weapons editor. Does ZM have that? No...
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Clearly UGX is better 1. They have their own mod. 2. They make better maps. Although I would like to say I like the zombie modding website better! But I think UGX puts too much time in to their maps making them the best maps in the world so thats why I love them xD. But also they even have apps to install there maps and a weapons editor. Does ZM have that? No...
Well.. most of the maps aren't made either by the UGX or the ZM team. And most of them get released on both sites so I wouldn't count that towards anyone.
And I start hating the fact that too many ppl see this as a kind of contest. I mean it's not only the site but what users acomplish. Do we really need to see everything in a competitive way? Or is this still the old scar caused by the childish behaviour of a few? and if it is, wouldn't it be childish too to dig it up over and over again?
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Well.. most of the maps aren't made either by the UGX or the ZM team. And most of them get released on both sites so I wouldn't count that towards anyone.
And I start hating the fact that too many ppl see this as a kind of contest. I mean it's not only the site but what users acomplish. Do we really need to see everything in a competitive way? Or is this still the old scar caused by the childish behaviour of a few? and if it is, wouldn't it be childish too to dig it up over and over again?
Yes but the official ugx maps (newer ones) aren't made by members. If you think map making (and game making) isn't supposed to be competitive, hahah. Pretty much everything in today's world is competitive; sports, tech, gaming, etc.
Btw, I'm sure tom made a map installer(before ugx did) and I'm sure that I've edited weapons without notepad and ugx's tool.
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Yes but the official ugx maps (newer ones) aren't made by members. If you think map making (and game making) isn't supposed to be competitive, hahah. Pretty much everything in today's world is competitive; sports, tech, gaming, etc.
Btw, I'm sure tom made a map installer(before ugx did) and I'm sure that I've edited weapons without notepad and ugx's tool.
Congratulations, you've successfully defied your own advice by trying to turn this into a pissing contest. Don't continue down this path of discussion or the thread will be locked.
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That was a response to his post, not to start a "pissing contest". Usually, in a talk / debate, people will defend their position and say stuff you don't like. It happens.
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That was a response to his post, not to start a "pissing contest". Usually, in a talk / debate, people will defend their position and say stuff you don't like. It happens.
Defending your oppinion doesn't get any easier when all others are blocked:D
But to be serious again, I did notice that competitive patterns are spreading widely these days. Still I don't think that the zombie modding scene needs that. I do understand when somebody is happy that his map/mod is popular but that doesn't mean that he should be disrespectfull to others or towards these who are even better.
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To me, competitiveness doesnt matter. Sure, some might hate it. I personally like it because it pushes me to work harder. Yea, some people take their success and rub it in. I personally hate that too.
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That was a response to his post, not to start a "pissing contest". Usually, in a talk / debate, people will defend their position and say stuff you don't like. It happens.
That's not what this would indicate:
Btw, I'm sure tom made a map installer(before ugx did) and I'm sure that I've edited weapons without notepad and ugx's tool.
This was not the subject of the current discussion, you threw it in to be aggressive. You can call it whatever you like but that doesn't change what it was. This is the part I was replying to, I don't care what you were replying to because this statement concerns me directly.
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That's not what this would indicate:This was not the subject of the current discussion, you threw it in to be aggressive. You can call it whatever you like but that doesn't change what it was. This is the part I was replying to, I don't care what you were replying to because this statement concerns me directly.
Well I'm sorry if it came off that way. In my first post I said I didn't want to start a war, but later posts made me defend myself, so it may have been aggressive. No harm done?
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Hey guys, I've been on the ZM site lately, and it seems like there's some hate towards UGX, I mean there's guys calling UGX Wankers and stuff... Just asking what's going on between 'em?
BabyPimp,
Here is my take on this. After I was sick of the hate and disrespect I saw and was experiencing on ZM and before I settled in permanently at UGX, I looked into this as much as I could to see why Treminaor and company started UGX and are no longer welcome on ZM. The truth is that unless you were there you will never know all the details, but from what I've seen it is that Trem speaks the truth and not just because of the threads I've seen where he is being treated unfairly, but more than that, it's the way that him and the rest of the team act when the topic of ZM is brought up and how they refuse to openly and profanely trash ZM even though ZM is more than happy to disrespect UGX every chance they get. That takes a lot of self-restraint on the part of the UGX team and that is what I admire most about these guys and it's why I'll never leave. The kind of guys that run ZM and the kind of guys that run UGX are so different it's like night and day.
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ok .... to everyone.
I get wanting to know what the battle is about ... if you want to know that bad ask an admin, because making a post like this is just as bad as the stuff they do. It knocks us down the that level and its completely unnecessary.... if people don't like what they have to say on ZM ... simple don't go there and you wont know ... who gives a crap what anyone has to say.
Sorry but that's my rant.
btw I think this thread should be locked or deleted because as I said its no better then the others
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agreed!
everyone has an opinion which is their right, but lets not turn it in to more then it has to be. those involved in any issues in the past have shown restraint and thanks for that.
those of us who are happier here thats great, those who prefer ZM thats Great too, support them but dont trash others in the process.
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ok .... to everyone.
I get wanting to know what the battle is about ... if you want to know that bad ask and admin, because making a post like this is just as bad as the stuff they do. It knocks us down the that level and its completely unnecessary.... if people don't like what they have to say on ZM ... simple don't go there and you wont know ... who gives a crap what anyone has to say.
It seems like you only read the title.. Even though this might seem to be ofensive everyone has been objective untill now. Also that's pretty much what I said.