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We could force the release any time.
But the argument that the mapper tries to delay it etc is a valid point.
But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore. They would just take longer.
(but I do understand the issue behind it - also not every map would take this approach)
We made sure the map follows a certain quality.
I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system.
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We could force the release any time.
But the argument that the mapper tries to delay it etc is a valid point.
But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore. They would just take longer.
(but I do understand the issue behind it - also not every map would take this approach)
We made sure the map follows a certain quality.
I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system.
What about getting paid only after the release?
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We could force the release any time.
But the argument that the mapper tries to delay it etc is a valid point.
But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore. They would just take longer.
(but I do understand the issue behind it - also not every map would take this approach)
We made sure the map follows a certain quality.
I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system.

"you could force the release any time" no technically speaking you carnt unless you hack the pc that has the files

"But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore" people do go through episodes where they release a BETA but never release the full version this would just make it happen even more

"also not every map would take this approach" this is a very good way to get people to do more stuff with there maps instead of just not giving a crap about it

"We made sure the map follows a certain quality." this "quality" must be extremily high higher than what it is to get ur map on the manager

"I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system." if a box map carnt get on the map manager or even on the forums without hate what makes you even think its going to be a "payed for BETA?" my opions thats ONLY what it is. also this can be highly mistaken for "pay for play"
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"you could force the release any time" no technically speaking you carnt unless you hack the pc that has the files
They would just release it at its stage, since it's already on there site being a paid beta, they'd just change that to free if needed
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They would just release it at its stage, since it's already on there site being a paid beta, they'd just change that to free if needed
too late by them the mapper will have already recived money for it
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I think it's pretty easy to tell a map that is worth paying for: The Swan, UGX Requiem, Leviathan, Oil Rig, Dead Ship, HoboVille and probably a few more here.

This would be something that a prospective mapper would have to discuss with the UGX team and prove to them that their map is worth doing a donation for beta. Not every maps should be worth this, if you wanna try to do this on your own website with your latest box map then fine, but it won't fly here on UGX & you all know how UGX values quality so you know you won't screwed over. (Again - no one has to donate - waiting for full release is an option)

Also, UGX should mandate that the mapper release his map to the public for free within 3-6 months so that this isn't drawn out for years.
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I think it's pretty easy to tell a map that is worth paying for: The Swan, UGX Requiem, Leviathan, Oil Rig, Dead Ship, HoboVille and probably a few more here.

This would be something that a prospective mapper would have to discuss with the UGX team and prove to them that their map is worth doing a donation for beta. Not every maps should be worth this, if you wanna try to do this on your own website with your latest box map then fine, but it won't fly here on UGX & you all know how UGX values quality so you know you won't screwed over. (Again - no one has to donate - waiting for full release is an option)

Also, UGX should mandate that the mapper release his map to the public for free within 3-6 months so that this isn't drawn out for years.
i fully comprehend this. but lets say they were doing this for long term, ok lets start off by discussing the REAL issues and problems that will arise i mean come on money is involved no1 is going to say no to a few bob, but it would be a lot better if they gave the option to all current ugx mappers that have held the mapper stats for 2 to 4 months before giving the mapper the choice if he wants his/her map to be a payed for beta
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I think it's pretty easy to tell a map that is worth paying for: The Swan, UGX Requiem, Leviathan, Oil Rig, Dead Ship, HoboVille and probably a few more here.

This would be something that a prospective mapper would have to discuss with the UGX team and prove to them that their map is worth doing a donation for beta. Not every maps should be worth this, if you wanna try to do this on your own website with your latest box map then fine, but it won't fly here on UGX & you all know how UGX values quality so you know you won't screwed over. (Again - no one has to donate - waiting for full release is an option)

Also, UGX should mandate that the mapper release his map to the public for free within 3-6 months so that this isn't drawn out for years.
Exactly.

The argument that EVERYONE will be doing this is just ridiculous and lazy. There are only a handful of maps worthy of donating for, of course UGX won't go to the trouble of hosting and setting up 'ReBoxified: The Opening' because, guess what, no-one would pay for it!!! But, if they really wanted to, I would have no issue with them doing that, regardless of the quality of the map.

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We aren't positive a full release will EVER come out. MAJOR ISSUE. It'd be tough luck for anyone that didn't want to pay.
Everyone might try paid betas then. MAJOR ISSUE. No maps will be free anymore and you wouldn't be able to have a fun night with some friends without opening up PayPal.
Rushing maps. People might try to put our maps like factories with no regard to detail or bug fixing because money.
Nothing more than getting a map. Now, this one confuses me. People complain they're only getting a map for $4, but that's pretty much what zombies fans do when Treyarch makes a map. I mean, you pay $15 for MOTD DLC just for MOTD and you never play MP? Well, that's the same case here, but less bullshitting around.
In answer to these points, to the people whining 'well the beta will go on forever in this case', well no, there will be a set release date for 2 months time, so no matter what the map will be released then.

And to the rushing part, yes I really rushed through this map, barely added anything, just wanted it done so I could get some money. It's not like I spent a year working on it or anything.

And if you don't think it's worth $4, then by all means you're within your rights to keep your money, personally I think $4 for a custom map that I will really enjoy is not much at all.

I'm honestly not seeing many real valid arguments coming from the other side. Some of the more reasonable people have made some good suggestions on how to refine the process though, with a few amendments to minor details; adding a countdown to official release, providing a little something extra for donators, etc, I don't really see much opposition towards it, apart from the obvious loud mouths who just want to rant and hate for the sake of it. ::)

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I'm not asking people to donate to my map nor will I ever but why does HE get to make a map and charge for beta. Also why are you changing the subject to my mapping skills

HE gets to make map? lol anyone can make map, even you instead of whining on forums but because his map is propably better then yours thats why HE gets to do it and why his map is on the frontpage. If you dont want to help other mappers out why would mappers help you? keep releasing the "not best and not worst maps" of yours and everyone is happy, its not like people go beg for donations ZERO people can do it, or EVERYONE can do it since its OPTIONAL.
Stevie did not knock on your door asking for handout for a map you never herd about am i right? maby you never want to play it in the first place so stop whining HE this or HE that lol.

i explained why it wont be slippery slope the last time, and in order to do so i had to bring up mapping skills so it was not a change of subject but explanation. if you have no skill no one gonna ask you for a beta let alone the the release or want to donate for it so like Delta said maps have a certain standard if you dont like the map dont play it, make your own even better map instead
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Some people do charity work more work for money it's the way of the world deal with it.
With whats going on in the world is this really that impotant..no  so lets get some perspective  :-\

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If someone wants to earn some money doing what he or she can do let them, i worked from the age of 16 and i retired at 40 and live a good life and do some charity work ...so what do you want out of life you only have one!
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nearly 18 pages of getting nowhere. this could have all been avoided if done the right way
shit you guys can go back and forth for days and still not agree.

You have to think of the pros and cons and then come to an agreement on what is best for the community this is not about one person.

The best way to go about this the fair and respectable way to go about it is to VOTE!
You guys have had your debate now put it to a vote.

Now no matter the outcome people cant say shit cause the final decision was made by the community.

I would make a poll but i dont think its my place to so all i can do is give the idea.

(note: i think no matter what  the ugx site should profit cause it cost money to run this site. When it comes to mappers profiting put it to a vote if people cant agree)
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nearly 18 pages of getting nowhere
I have 11 pages :troll:
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I have 11 pages :troll:
your stupid lol :D
i do got nearly 18 though :P
but who gives anyway.  8)

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Can't we just stick to how releasing maps worked before? Was there a problem with how it was before? Because I see no reason to even try to make "map donating system" work better.
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