we have no idea what the future holds for paid betas like this, this is mainly a trial to see what happens. we think its a great way for mappers to get paid for their work but its also a lot of work to set up and clearly there are mixed feelings in the community on the subject.
I say you add a poll too just for analysis. And about the mess, I may not like the idea, but you UGX guys are free to do whatever you wish to do, as you're not obligated to do what people wish for(it's all optional). Just keep on moving with whatever your plans/ideas are, and don't take low people as references to base your work on.i also agree with this comment this should be put to a public vote for the community, if a majority decide "yes we want to pay for beta maps" then so be it but i dont think this should be applied to the website under the admin's choice.
I saw your one post about having a donation button under each mapper, and I really like that idea, it lets people that can help out their favorite mapper, would love to see this addedYes it would be a great idea.
As it stands, the only people making money from CZ are Youtubers and Twitch streamers. Often the mapper doesn't even get so much as a mention, and sometimes even the map name isn't even included, let alone a link. So while some guy who downloads, plays, then uploads the map for 30 mins rakes in the money, while the mapper who spent over a year working on it has to sit there watching them, twiddling their thumbs getting absolutely jack shit.
Clearly, something is wrong here.
This is the only feasible way for a mapper to get rewarded by the audience. If you don't think the map is worth $4, or if you just disagree with the whole concept, or if you can find something better to spend your $4 on, then by all means keep it. No-one is forcing anyone to do anything, you can just wait for the normal release. For the record I would have HAPPILY donated $4 to play Leviathan, and many were obviously equally happy to donate to play Requiem.
As it stands, the only people making money from CZ are Youtubers and Twitch streamers. Often the mapper doesn't even get so much as a mention, and sometimes even the map name isn't even included, let alone a link. So while some guy who downloads, plays, then uploads the map for 30 mins rakes in the money, while the mapper who spent over a year working on it has to sit there watching them, twiddling their thumbs getting absolutely jack shit.so you saying in chat earlier that you "Weren't" getting any money from this unless ugx decide to means your getting something? ok i see how it works lol
Clearly, something is wrong here.
This is the only feasible way for a mapper to get rewarded by the audience. If you don't think the map is worth $4, or if you just disagree with the whole concept, or if you can find something better to spend your $4 on, then by all means keep it. No-one is forcing anyone to do anything, you can just wait for the normal release. For the record I would have HAPPILY donated $4 to play Leviathan, and many were obviously equally happy to donate to play Requiem.
so you saying in chat earlier that you "Weren't" getting any money from this unless ugx decide to means your getting something? ok i see how it works lolI'm glad you've figured it out, well done. :)
I'm glad you've figured it out, well done. :)i was being sarcastic and quoting your contradiction actually =) your flawed your own logic, get your story straight atleast.
i was being sarcastic and quoting your contradiction actually =) your flawed your own logic, get your story straight atleast.Well the donations are going directly to the site first, not me, so I don't see the contradiction there.
Well the donations are going directly to the site, not me, so I don't see the contradiction there.uh, no that was not the arrangement and I'm not going to let you start lying about it to slip out of any responsibility or blame. you were the recipient of the largest portion and UGX was receiving the smaller portion as site support.
Well the donations are going directly to the site, not me, so I don't see the contradiction there.then how does this situation help the mappers?
uh, no that was not the arrangement and I'm not going to let you start lying about it to slip out of any responsibility or blame. you were the recipient of the largest portion and UGX was receiving the smaller portion as site support.Yes, so the money is going directly to you first. Either way, it's irrelevant, the donations are eventually going to be divided between the site and the mapper, I would have thought that much was obvious to people.
the donation page said this whole time that it was a donation to you with a portion going to benefit UGX. the only reason our paypal was the one in use was because its a business account capable of receiving these donations on a large scale and is already set up to work with the IPN system we have.
Yes, so the money is going directly to you first. Either way, it's irrelevant, the donations are eventually going to be divided between the site and the mapper, I would have thought that much was obvious to people.this is not what you said in chat, you specifically said "im not getting any of this money it goes to ugx to help the website" and i have hitmanvere, andy whelan, uk_viiper and dualvii to confirm this.
this is not what you said in chat, you specifically said "im not getting any of this money it goes to ugx to help the website" and i have hitmanvere, andy whelan, uk_viiper and dualvii to confirm this.Post a screenshot then, I never said that.
i dont have screenshot, any admin in this topic with access to the chat records, please look for this statement. i have 4 people as witness to what you said stevie, stop trying to turn everything around because u dont wanna look like a fool.Turning what around? Clearly it says on the topic how this works, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out.
i know fine well what it says on the topic but im not discussing the topic, i am discussing your actions in the chat.Well I never said what you claimed I did, but nevertheless I see don't why that matters to you at all?
I think paying for a map is.... Ech, donating to a site or mapper is good thoCan you give me one single instance, in the history of CZ, where someone has donated to a mapper to show appreciation?
Well I never said what you claimed I did, but nevertheless I see don't why that matters to you at all?you really do not have a rational opinion in you do you? you are a liar you know fine well you said it i have 2 chat mods as back up to that bro come on really..
you really do not have a rational opinion in you do you? you are a liar you know fine well you said it i have 2 chat mods as back up to that bro come on really..I really don't want to get into this, I'm trying to have a civilised debate, post a screenshot or an opinion or just be quiet.
I really don't want to get into this, I'm trying to have a civilised debate, post a screenshot or an opinion or just be quiet.as i said i dont have a screenshot but i have 4 people to confirm it
Can you give me one single instance, in the history of CZ, where someone has donated to a mapper to show appreciation?None, that's why we need that button.
as i said i dont have a screenshot but i have 4 people to confirm itThat's nice. Well if you don't have anything else to contribute to the discussion then you know what to do. :)
That's nice. Well if you don't have anything else to contribute to the discussion then you know what to do. :)oh im sorry i didnt know you made this topic? dont get your boots too full mate ;)
Can you give me one single instance, in the history of CZ, where someone has donated to a mapper to show appreciation?
you really do not have a rational opinion in you do you? you are a liar you know fine well you said it i have 2 chat mods as back up to that bro come on really..
i can agree with a donation button on the topic's but not a release thread that says "donate to get "map"." a donation should be made to the mapper for appreciation in itself not a donation for the actual map files
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oh im sorry i didnt know you made this topic? dont get your boots too full mate ;)
None, that's why we need that button.I agree. However UGX has a permanent donate button on the site, available to all. Funny how it saw barely any action until Requiem came out isn't it?
I agree. However UGX has a permanent donate button on the site, available to all. Funny how it saw barely any action until Requiem came out isn't it?
I don't like the whole situation of having to pay for a beta. Mappers are doing this in their free-times as a hobby, not as a job. If you really need money, then go ahead, get a job. We do this for free as a hobby, we shouldn't be payed to do it. If you want to donate to your favorite mapper, sure, its fine. But don't make it, so that: "Donate to me and you get beta of my map!" That's a dick move.
For example: I was offered 100 dollars by someone generous (not telling his name) for rights for Hotel V2. I refused, since I did the project for free and I enjoyed doing it. I could have gotten the money, but it would have felt wrong, that I would get payed for something I would do for free. I will probably not gain any money from Project C, which is anticipated map and has been in works for over year now, and I'm happy about it. Because at the end of the day, I did something I can be proud of and that a lot of people will enjoy playing it and I will get to see some people play it, their reactions and such, and I don't care, if they get money off from it, that's their business, not mine.
If we start to think payed betas is way to go, sooner or later official releases will be fined to be payed and then we have to pay for everything. If BO3 mod tools comes out, I hope we don't take this there also and just leave it behind.
I also agree with Chroma, small donation button would be better solution, pay-to-play beta system is not way to go.
I don't like the whole situation of having to pay for a beta. Mappers are doing this in their free-times as a hobby, not as a job. If you really need money, then go ahead, get a job. We do this for free as a hobby, we shouldn't be payed to do it. If you want to donate to your favorite mapper, sure, its fine. But don't make it, so that: "Donate to me and you get beta of my map!" That's a dick move.
For example: I was offered 100 dollars by someone generous (not telling his name) for rights for Hotel V2. I refused, since I did the project for free and I enjoyed doing it. I could have gotten the money, but it would have felt wrong, that I would get payed for something I would do for free. I will probably not gain any money from Project C, which is anticipated map and has been in works for over year now, and I'm happy about it. Because at the end of the day, I did something I can be proud of and that a lot of people will enjoy playing it and I will get to see some people play it, their reactions and such, and I don't care, if they get money off from it, that's their business, not mine.
If we start to think payed betas is way to go, sooner or later official releases will be fined to be payed and then we have to pay for everything. If BO3 mod tools comes out, I hope we don't take this there also and just leave it behind.
I also agree with Chroma, small donation button would be better solution, pay-to-play beta system is not way to go.
My thoughts exactly, +1. I dont think we should have to pay for custom maps at all, but charging for a beta of a map but then releasing the complete version for free makes even less sense, hence why betas tend to be free as you're not getting the finale finished product. With Requiem it was different, as access to the beta of Requiem was a perk of being a donor - even though many people viewed it as paying to pay the map - that is what is happening here by the looks of it, I donated cause of all the awesome UGX videos i saw and all the great stuff they were/are doing. When V1.1 comes out that will also bring out many new excellent maps that have been on hold for months/years cause of V1.1. This is one map and once the hype is over and everyone has played the map it wont be a big thing anymore. The last thing I want to see is other people adapting this idea on their maps.So the problem here is the semantics of the difference between a map and a mod? So if I was releasing a public 'Oil Rig' mod for people to use, then there would be no issue with it then? ???
So the problem here is the semantics of the difference between a map and a mod? So if I was releasing a public 'Oil Rig' mod for people to use, then there would be no issue with it then? ???a public use mod helps the community create more content, 1 map doesnt help anything or any other person than you and the ugx paypal =)
My thoughts exactly, +1. I dont think we should have to pay for custom maps at all, but charging for a beta of a map but then releasing the complete version for free makes even less sense, hence why betas tend to be free as you're not getting the finale finished product. With Requiem it was different, as access to the beta of Requiem was a perk of being a donor - even though many people viewed it as paying to pay the map - that is what is happening here by the looks of it, I donated cause of all the awesome UGX videos i saw and all the great stuff they were/are doing. When V1.1 comes out that will also bring out many new excellent maps that have been on hold for months/years cause of V1.1. This is one map and once the hype is over and everyone has played the map it wont be a big thing anymore. The last thing I want to see is other people adapting this idea on their maps.
we would rather have feature for donating to a mapper
I also agree with your point here. In UGX, by donating, you are supporting official release for a mod, that anyone in community can use, when its released. This will boost up community a lot, since then people can make awesome maps with awesome mod. Meanwhile what donating to Stevie gives you? One map and tiny bit of money goes to UGX, which I believe is very small amount. And besides, if for example I would have donated only for Requiem, I would have donated 4 dollars, not 25. I donated, because I want to keep this site alive and want to see 1.1 happen, so we can see maps with higher potential.Based on what? Without divulging too much information it most certainly isn't 'tiny'. ::)
i was skeptic to beta but you can always paypal someone after enjoing a specific map but no one is gonna make an investiagion to get some paypal account linked to a profile on a webpage with a map that some streamer explained was made by 5 guys that isnt even correct...the only reason they would actually look at the topic would be to whine about perklimits or Zombie coutners you get the point :)This guy get's it.
So the problem here is the semantics of the difference between a map and a mod? So if I was releasing a public 'Oil Rig' mod for people to use, then there would be no issue with it then? ???
no cause the difference of the UGX donation was that you are helping the maintenance of the site, servers and the tools they make etc and one perk for doing so was getting access to the beta of requiem. With oil rig, it is paying to pay a beta more or less.And a large percentage of the donations goes towards the site. Which part of that are people struggling with? The money goes to the site and to the mapper, where it's supposed to go.
Based on what? Without divulging too much information it most certainly isn't 'tiny'. ::)
uh, no that was not the arrangement and I'm not going to let you start lying about it to slip out of any responsibility or blame. you were the recipient of the largest portion and UGX was receiving the smaller portion as site support.
Smaller portion of 4 dollars is about dollar, which isn't tiny?Since you clearly have no idea about this matter, probably best to just stop.
Since you clearly have no idea about this matter, probably best to just stop.
i just love how this has brought the community together, i think we all deserve a pat on the back
Like I mentioned before the best thing is to have donation link under each mappers name so that someone can donate to a mapper who made an old map they loved or an upcoming map, that way its fair
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While everybody is freaking out here, i would love to see some numbers of how many people actually donated by now ( so about a day) and after a week for example. I'm just really curious to how many of the 150000+ members ( of wich most cleary dont get involved in the community at all, and might have completely different views on this ) would actually end up paying..
100% of users have donated :troll:;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So on Twitch, some guy can force donations to even give you the right to speak, and receives donations constantly as people watch him play some guy's map whose name isn't even mentioned and who spent a year on it. But donations going to towards the mapper and site and suddenly it's just outrageous? Lol.
People keep going on about 'community'. The backstabbing and bitching in this so called 'community' is unreal. Even the main sites in this tiny 'community' don't get along. 99% of the 'community' who download these maps just download and leave instantly. They never comment, they never contribute anything. If there was a 'donation' button I think the only time it would get used was if one of these people accidentally mistook it for the 'download' button. ;D
So on Twitch, some guy can force donations to even give you the right to speak, and receives donations constantly as people watch him play some guy's map whose name isn't even mentioned and who spent a year on it. But donations going to towards the mapper and site and suddenly it's just outrageous? Lol.
I never thought I would agree with Stevie but he makes a pretty good point. Without incentive or getting something in return, unfortunately I don't think hardly anyone would donate with this donation button idea. Also how would you determine who gets a donation button and who doesn't?
Can you give me one single instance, in the history of CZ, where someone has donated to a mapper to show appreciation?
I never thought I would agree with Stevie but he makes a pretty good point. Without incentive or getting something in return, unfortunately I don't think hardly anyone would donate with this donation button idea. Also how would you determine who gets a donation button and who doesn't?
you have to make a $1 donation to ugx to get a donation button
You can't compare wrongs though. Just cause one thing is wrong, doesn't make repeating it right...wait...something like that. I do the maps for fun, so I am paid. I think others are paid as well, especially in respect. Like being a part of the car club. You don't get paid by fixing up your car. You do it cause you like cars. Unless you do comps. Then you do. I don't see the difference really, other than some people have found a way to make people pay. Do we want to be a part of that?Well as it stands the only people getting anything are streamers/YT, personally I don't think that's right, and I'm surprised a lot other mappers are happy with this system. I think this is a fair way to ensure the funds go to the correct place, I repeat the funds are going to the mapper and the site. Why all the outcry now anyway? Comosea and Requiem used the exact same system and barely anyone batted an eyelid.
So we need to pay to get payed?
Not a bad idea but that would divide the community in a bad way imo. As the people who donated to get their own donation button would be frowned upon.Why not just have the site mods verify if you're eligible to have a donation button? just sayin'
Well as it stands the only people getting anything are streamers/YT, personally I don't think that's right, and I'm surprised a lot other mappers are happy with this system. I think this is a fair way to ensure the funds go to the correct place, I repeat the funds are going to the mapper and the site. Why all the outcry now anyway? Comosea and Requiem used the exact same system and barely anyone batted an eyelid.
Yes, an example would actually be to me from TheRelaxingEnd. Relaxing donated the Black Ops 2 season pass, Black Ops 3, and Rocket League. By definition those count as donations as a donation is (quote from dictionary) "an act or instance of presenting something as a gift, grant, or contribution." therefore it does not have to necessarily be a monetary gift.
The problem I have with the whole situation is that people have the idea that modders (rather use the term modders rather than mappers because a) these are all mods in the end for CoD and b) mappers only include a part of the community, while the other half [or less] are people who make mods whether for SP, ZM, or MP) should be compensated for the work they put into maps. The moment you hit that button that says Compile Map or Build Mod, or even just start making a map in Radiant, everything you worked on no longer is yours, it is Activision's. Therefore, none of us "own" or "created" the mods/maps that we released, they are Activision's. Of course out of the respect for the person who put the time to throw it together, we do credit at least the person for what they did, but legally that's as far as it goes. Activision gave us the mod tools with the EULA that clearly states that we can use the mod tools "for your own personal, non-commercial use in order to create the New Game Materials" (New Game Materials being defined as "new maps, missions, game levels, environments and/or other related game materials for personal use in and with Call of Duty: World at War") with the first bullet point under the License Conditions stating that you "agree that, as a condition to your using the Program Utilities, you will not use ... the Program Utilities and/or the New Game Materials created by you for any commercial purposes, including, but not limited to, selling, renting, leasing, licensing, distributing, or otherwise transferring the ownership of the Program Utilities or the New Game Materials, whether on a stand alone basis or packaged in combination with the New Game Materials created by others, through any and all distribution channels, including, without limitation, retail sales and on-line electronic distribution." with the second point reiterating the statement that "If you decide to make available the use of the New Game Materials created by you to other gamers, you agree to do so solely without charge." So why do people all of a sudden think that we should have the right to have some sort of monetary gain out of tools given to us under the clear restriction that says we are not allowed to? It is pretty obvious even by statements made by Stevie that he is more interested in the money gained out of this.
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When you "donate" to someone, you do not expect anything in return from that person. You donated as a way of giving thanks to the person for the work they've done. Stating that you must "donate" to have access to what should be a non-commercial item is no longer a "donation", it is a payment, so I'm baffled by the counter arguments of people trying to justify what is in the end selling a mod/map. Of course this may seem contradictory to me being I donated to the site, but my intent for donating was not because of the fact I wanted to play maps from UGX early on (considering I don't even have World at War installed it'd seem pointless). I donated (despite the small amount it was) because I respect the time and work spent on the site. UGX is the only forum I regularly participate in for WaW because it is the only real active forum that doesn't have the same handful of people posting over and over again in each others topics.
Then there is the arguments of YouTubers/Twitch streamers who "generate profits off of mapper's/modder's content". What they make profits off of is the ads displayed on the video, not the actual video itself. If a YouTuber had a video with ads, but all of their viewers had something like AdBlock running, they'd generate no profits at all, and it's because of the viewers they make profits. The money made is not from what they show, it's merely the little 5-30 second ads you skip/watch before you actually see what you are there to see.
I'm just going to throw my opinion out there ( not that it probably matters) but I would have to agree with most people here. A donation button below a mappers name rather than a "pay to access beta" would make it seem less like "I WANT MONEYZZ $$$ :rainbow:" and more like asking for a tiny donation to help the process of mapping. Even then, is the tiny amount of $4 to access the beta version enough to create such a large amount of controversy and anger? If you want to play the map, but don't want to pay for it, then simply wait until the ACTUAL FULL map comes out. Besides, mappers DO map for hundreds of hours, perfecting the map to make it fun for YOU. A donation button below the mappers name would be a great way to show gratitude and to help him make more masterpieces.
As for donating to access the beta version, I say this. The mapper spent HUNDREDS or thousands of hours on their map. If you are so impatient you don't want to wait, then just pay $4. Is accessing their HUNDREDS of hours of work early worth less than $4? :please:
Also, TWITCH STREAMERS have NOTHING to do with this. This is between mappers, and people who want to access their work early. Not same random person who makes money off their map. No one cares about him :alone:
Not to be a grammar nazi, but the title is misspelled. :troll: (Oil Rig Controversy)
I still love you all, though :nyan:
Are you paying Treyarch also for the whole engine and the mod tools? No only for the game. But now you're making money off Treyarch's product. But ah, that's fair right? Don't talk about fair.No I did nothing at all towards the creation of the map. And I see you're a donator? Did you donate for Requiem? What were you saying again?
Why not just have the site mods verify if you're eligible to have a donation button? just sayin'
How about we leave donations open, and once a certain target is hit the map is released fully?No, that's still paying for a map
Personally, I think a donation button under a mappers name would be largly ignored no matter how good the mappers work looks. If people can get something free then they take that option 9/10 times.Can always trust Zen to provide a reasoned and balanced opinion. +1
There is nothing wrong with a mapper offering people the opportunity to beta test their work if they donate. Basically a perk of being a donor is the chance to get early access. For some hear though it is not an incentive for mappers, it's a money grab. Some even being pathetic enough to report it to Activision.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions though. Some see it as selfish and greedy to expect people to pay a few bucks to play an amazing map early while others just hate Stevie and want to use it as an excuse to rant. Me? I am just happy to see it finally released, even in beta form. I hope those who ignored the riots are enjoying one of the best custom maps ever made. :)
No, that's still paying for a mapNo it isn't. People are donating to show their appreciation and I'm donating back the released map in return as a sign of my appreciation. ::)
No it isn't. People are donating to show their appreciation and I'm donating back the released map in return as a sign of my appreciation. ::)Curse your logic
No it isn't. People are donating to show their appreciation and I'm donating back the released map in return as a sign of my appreciation. ::)
I play custom zombies mainly because of the free maps and i don't see a point why any mapper should get money for making these maps if they made them without pay anything and also why should i pay for the buggy beta version off a map? ???
ah in the same way that i donate my money to a shop and in return they donate me some food :troll:No more similar to the way you donated so you could play Requiem. ::)
Well then. Just to anyone wanting to bring the legal aspect into this. :PTaylor Bates, sounds like the kid who grasses on you at school when you sneak in late and the teacher doesn't notice ;D
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No more similar to the way you donated so you could play Requiem. ::)
Well then. Just to anyone wanting to bring the legal aspect into this. :P
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Well then. Just to anyone wanting to bring the legal aspect into this. :P
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Illegal? Out? I wouldn't think an actual treyarch rep would have so many spelling mistakes. Mind providing a link to the twitter profile? Just to verify.
https://twitter.com/TreyarchHQ (https://twitter.com/TreyarchHQ)
Looking at the follow count now looks a bit off, but you never know. And it doesn't seem associated with ATV or 3ARC at all, so it might be bogus.
Illegal? Out? I wouldn't think an actual treyarch rep would have so many spelling mistakes. Mind providing a link to the twitter profile? Just to verify.
Edit. On a tablet... illegal is supposed to be spelled wrong.
If I was to guess, I would say Stevie set that fake Treyarch support account up with the intention of intercepting all complaints against his beta/donor plan.
Very crafty Stevie. Bravo!
To those of you who reported the site to Activision could have killed the whole idea of BO3 mod tools coming out.
To those of you who reported the site to Activision could have killed the whole idea of BO3 mod tools coming out.
If I was to guess, I would say Stevie set that fake Treyarch support account up with the intention of intercepting all complaints against his beta/donor plan.
Very crafty Stevie. Bravo!
Can always trust Zen to provide a reasoned and balanced opinion. +1
UGX 2017my homepage it's different and why 2017 we're in 2015
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my homepage it's different and why 2017 we're in 2015'
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can somebody please help me get OIL RIG working. It Say's "unauthorized user visit" and i have internet connection and my account's online. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
So there's a beta out right for Oil Rig... but every time I see someone getting an error. No one is helping them. They donated and then they can't play the map and you don't help them. Example:lol how do you know he hasn't been helped?? I sent him a PM 10 minutes ago when I saw his reply. And yes the beta works for those who got it before we took it down.
lol how do you know he hasn't been helped?? I sent him a PM 10 minutes ago when I saw his reply. And yes the beta works for those who got it before we took it down.yeah man still having problems but can't send pm WEIRD?
What a shame, UGX, Was a great community, Kept us clean from the zombie modding aids. Then this happened.
I have shared my opinions in so many words about this today which a lot of it isn't shown because it was all deleted, Stevie has seriously let himself down not that he cared as his vision was blured in dollar signs.
The way some (who's name I will not mention) bring youtubers into the arguement and Tom-BMX (Which, agree'd, what he was doing was illegal by a tremendous stretch) was just reaching to make themselves believe that this was all such a top idea. The logic was non-existant.
Really don't want too waste any more time on this and do certainly not want any part in it and this community.
I'm out ;)
id like to say who gives a single fuck..... honestly does it effect you in any way??? NO if they want to do this let them do this. this should only matter to people that want to donate if your not going to donate wait for the final release and stop being a bunch of bitches about it... grow the fuck up everyone.
lmao, after it's been done once or twice before now all of the sudden it's different? UGX can do it, but a single mapper cant? If it wasn't for the agreement that come's with the mod tools UGX wouldn't have come up with this system either ( just my guess ::) ). It's just wrong from a modding perspective, true. Is it really such a big deal and worth all this commotion? i dont think so, just dont pay for it if you dont want to.. The map will be released anyway later+1
Dont get me wrong, i'm not happy with this idea and would have rather seen the map get released normal. I also certainly dont hope this will be a new thing amongst mappers, but uehm:
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yeah man still having problems but can't send pm WEIRD?Sorry, use https://jira.ugx-mods.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/6
Sorry, use https://jira.ugx-mods.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/6wont let me use the UGX account want me to create a new one?
lmao, after it's been done once or twice before now all of the sudden it's different? UGX can do it, but a single mapper cant? If it wasn't for the agreement that come's with the mod tools UGX wouldn't have come up with this system either ( just my guess ::) ). It's just wrong from a modding perspective, true. Is it really such a big deal and worth all this commotion? i dont think so, just dont pay for it if you dont want to.. The map will be released anyway later
Dont get me wrong, i'm not happy with this idea and would have rather seen the map get released normal. I also certainly dont hope this will be a new thing amongst mappers, but uehm:
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wont let me use the UGX account want me to create a new one?yeah its separate from UGX
yeah its separate from UGXpassword policy?
How about we leave donations open, and once a certain target is hit the map is released fully?
Isn't this supposed to be a beta? I mean, if you guys actually did do this instead, what if the certain target already gets reached within a few hours? (Though to be honest I highly doubt the target would get reached that quick)
Are you just going to release it in its current state like that?
I think he's talking about "target" in terms of cash? or is that what you mean also?
lmao, after it's been done once or twice before now all of the sudden it's different? UGX can do it, but a single mapper cant?
side note: i was going to present my view on the legal side of things but wasn't sure if that was allowed.
For the moral side of things... well, why would a mapper ever officially release their map when they could just keep it a 'beta' forever and keep making money? They really don't have a reason to do so, do they?
and isn't the point of a beta to test things anyway? How does a paywall help a mapper test their map?Youre comparing two different aspects of this and trying to connect them when they are irrelevant to each other. The paywall is incentive for people to actually contribute to the mapper instead of just taking the map for free and never coming back to make any sort of contribution. The debate is whether that's fair, not whether it helps the beta testing process.
side note: i was going to present my view on the legal side of things but wasn't sure if that was allowed.no, we know this already and you've already stated it a handful of times.
A little off-topic, but where do we reply to tell Stevie bugs we find in the map? :poker: Or should we just PM him?PM me.
I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about, they are just donations to play a map? if you don't want to donate to play it - than just wait patiently till it is released publicly. This is actually a good thing they have thought of to help keep the site going longer, imagine all the new and amazing maps people will make.Everyone knows that no one will release their maps past beta if they can keep getting monies from them. "Donating" is the same as "buying" in this community, but we won't admit it because then Activision could take legal action. Paywall is still there. Naming a donkey "Horse" doesn't make the donkey a horse. It's also not a good thing because then people might release box maps, expecting to have this pay-to-play option. I know what Trem will say that they'll have "standards" for what maps can and can't have the paywall, but then people will be rushing their damn maps just for money and those "standards" will go out then window if times get hard. Hell, less care will even go into maps because it's all about the money. It will then lead to no one wanting to play zombies because someone put the Great Paywall of UGX in front of them.
yeah its separate from UGXwant to use skype to fix the problem?
I know what Trem will say that they'll have "standards" for what maps can and can't have the paywall, but then people will be rushing their damn maps just for money and those "standards" will go out then window if times get hard. Hell, less care will even go into maps because it's all about the money. It will then lead to no one wanting to play zombies because someone put the Great Paywall of UGX in front of them.this is ridiculous because no one is going to pay for a map that they don't believe is worth the price. this is just a slope argument really.
The paywall is incentive for people to actually contribute to the mapper instead of just taking the map for free and never coming back to make any sort of contribution.
no, we know this already and you've already stated it a handful of times.
So what your saying is that people who 'donate' are incentivised to report issues because they invested their money into the mod/map? Or am i totally interpreting that wrong?No, thats not at all what I was saying. I'm saying the payment is unrelated to people reporting bugs. It's about compensating the mapper in a way that people will actually do rather than completely ignore. The fact that its only for a beta means that anyone who doesn't want to compensate the mapper in this way can just patiently wait.
With all the controversy with this I don't think it will ever happen again, and honestly if it becomes a norm it will be a god damn shame, a once free community going to shit so the mapper who spends his optional free time can make a quick buck. It's such a shitty thing that this was even allowed, you can't expect people to pay for a map without 75% of everyone getting upset as it is illeagle and shouldn't be done. If it doesn't release within a month or less he's just milking it. It doesn't take long to fix errorsIt doesn't?
sorry guys, this is just wrong
as it is illegal
sorry guys, this is just wrong
its completely legal.
It doesn't?
More than a month? Personally don't think it does. May take a bit to get together a good COOP team but i still think testing a map could be done in under a month.I thought you were one for having the cleanest, bug-free maps DD? Such a blasé attitude towards bugs, I have to say I'm shocked Deadra, I really am.
So you understand the law fully and know 100% this is legal?
I thought you were one for having the cleanest, bug-free maps DD?
It doesn't?Have you not been fixing bugs for a long time? Dont be low and hold the map under paid beta, release it asap and ignore the greed in the back of your head
not completely but in this case i believe what they are doing is fine. its a bit of a loophole but to be honest, is it really that bad.
Yes, taking assets that weren't even intended on being as accessible as they are now, using them in a map, and profiting off it is 100% ok, once again I am neutral on the subject, but please have some logic before coming out with this.
If you want you can read this. https://www.activision.com/legal/terms-of-use (https://www.activision.com/legal/terms-of-use)
Just want to point out that this isn't the actual mod tools EULA. The one people are referring too comes with mods tools and are add-ons to the existing EULA that comes with the game.
oh thanks but as this is the activision terms of use it still has the same basic set up. and nowhere in this does it say you can't have a UGC(User Generated Content) as an attachment to a 3rd party donation.
• If you decide to make available the use of the New Game Materials created by you to other gamers, you agree to do so solely without charge.
If you decide to make available the use of the New Game Materials created by you to other gamers, you agree to do so solely without charge.
Stuff and things and things and stuff
i respect you for that and i thank you for a well thought out comment. too many a time there are people who post random shit in these threads thinking it is a work of art, but in all actuality it is just a polished turd. it's good to see there are others out there that can post a well thought out and developed comment.
If there was a like button I would use it for you good sir :)
there is its under my name and it says ADD RESPECT
What the heck!? I was hoping to graciously donate/gift but certainly not under any circumstances pay for an opportunity to assist the mapper by beta testing this epic map. Can I still do that?How do you know they aren't?
On a side note, if this is going to be a thing (which I support in full) then I feel that everyone involved in making the map should get a slice of the pie or at least have an opportunity to benefit from this in accordance with how involved they were in the project. They can certainly decline their share of the donation, but it should be offered at least.
How do you know they aren't?Which part of my message are you responding too, I wrote a lot can you please be more specific?
On a side note, if this is going to be a thing (which I support in full) then I feel that everyone involved in making the map should get a slice of the pie or at least have an opportunity to benefit from this in accordance with how involved they were in the project. They can certainly decline their share of the donation, but it should be offered at least.This part. The people who have spent a lot of time working with me on this map, which basically is one person, will be compensated fairly.
The paywall is incentive for people to actually contribute to the mapper instead of just taking the map for free and never coming back to make any sort of contribution. The debate is whether that's fair, not whether it helps the beta testing process.I understand your logic in this situation Treminaor, but unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. Adding a pay-to-play feature to a map doesn't offer incentive, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't. Take Black Ops 3 BETA for example, how many little kids managed to convince their mother and/or father to pre-order it for them, just so they could show off to all their friends that they had the game? Probably a tonne of them.
I understand your logic in this situation Treminaor, but unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. Adding a pay-to-play feature to a map doesn't offer incentive, I'm sorry, but it just doesn't.I know for fact it does, we've had a donation button for 3+ years and it became about 1000x more active once there was a map behind it.
I know for fact it does, we've had a donation button for 3+ years and it became about 1000x more active once there was a map behind it.Trem, please, hear me out, Your map, UGX Requiem, straight to UGX-Mods to fund the making of UGX-Mod Version 1.1.
As far as the rest of your post I honestly don't see how it's even relevant.
Case in point, this pay-to-play stand for this map does NOT incentive to come back and offer help in the form of bug reports. Donating to UGX-Mods because we want to see the mod come along as best as it can, and receive a map as a reward? All for it. Forcing people to donate to a mapper to be able to play the map as a way of saying 'Thank you'?
Nope. :poker:
I know for fact it does, we've had a donation button for 3+ years and it became about 1000x more active once there was a map behind it.
As far as the rest of your post I honestly don't see how it's even relevant.
And what about me and all the other map makers? Can we release some unfinished map say it's in "BETA" and then charge people to play it? It looks like a slippery slope
Trem, please, hear me out, Your map, UGX Requiem, straight to UGX-Mods to fund the making of UGX-Mod Version 1.1.What do you think funds the making of UGX Mod V.1.1? More than anything, and I'm sure Trem will agree, it's the sheer man hours that is the biggest problem. Sure, you could make a shitty mod/map in a short amount a time, and sure you could try to make it donation only. Like Radi says, is anyone going to pay for that? Of course not, such a lame argument to say 'well everyone is going to do this now'. Since I've been in the scene, I can count about 3 maybe 4 maps that are of the standard that I would happily pay for them. The rest I don't even download when they are free!
This, this is mostly giving Stevie back the money he spent on the games he needed to rip models, anims, sounds etc.
With Oil Rig, We would just be donating for a map that will be free in just about a week. Not to mention I'm not paying after the whole "event" between MZ and Stevie, yet He gains the audacity to ask for money from me?Lol. After what? A discussion about a flag that you weren't even involved in in any way at all? :facepalm:
I know for fact it does, we've had a donation button for 3+ years and it became about 1000x more active once there was a map behind it.I said this earlier but people refused to believe it; people rarely donate out of the kindness of their heart alone, you might think 'well if they enjoy the map and there's a donate button people will happily donate' like fuck they will. ;D 99% of people will only 'donate' if they know they are getting something in return. It's a fact.
I said this earlier but people refused to believe it; people rarely donate out of the kindness of their heart alone, you might think 'well if they enjoy the map and there's a donate button people will happily donate' like fuck they will. ;D 99% of people will only 'donate' if they know they are getting something in return. It's a fact.
IMO, If your putting something like a map behind a paywall then its no longer a donation. At that point you are selling a product in exchange for money, which i don't think should be allowed. A major reason why the modding scene(not just this one, but others too) is the fact that mods are free. If people have to pay for mods(beta or full) then people will no longer want to download them.
Can you give me one single instance, in the history of CZ, where someone has donated to a mapper to show appreciation?
I don't think 99% of people on UGX have donated, lol.Where the fuck did I say that? :facepalm:
IMO, If your putting something like a map behind a paywall then its no longer a donation. At that point you are selling a product in exchange for money, which i don't think should be allowed. A major reason why the modding scene(not just this one, but others too) is the fact that mods are free. If people have to pay for mods(beta or full) then people will no longer want to download them.
place your bets here folks! 90% of the UGX community vs UGX site mods, owners and Steviewonder, its gonna be a great night Only on ESPNExcept it's nothing like 90%.
Look end of story.What if activision says he's the reason for no bo3 mod tools :troll:
We may not agree/like what stevie did about paying or whatever. Personally, I don't, but it's not our business, I mean did stevie hurt us in anyway. If you say that he did by making his map for money, then I have to say no, this is his business, and he can do whatever he wishes to do and it's his RIGHT btw, and we are not even to question him why( I mean his reasons are his, because it's his business). Believe me, if I were stevie, I would consider doing the same, as it's my right to do so.
The only thing that bothered me is that, this would encourage people to make their maps for money. It's still their business, but I don't see any good future on the forum if this continues, people would not pay, and nothing will be given in a kindhearted manner, all people would become money hungry.
What if activision says he's the reason for no bo3 mod tools :troll:When you say this, I get the feeling that activision searches for whatever reason in the world to not release mod tools, which I think if this is true, happened long time ago, when bo3 itself was an undeveloped idea.
When you say this, I get the feeling that activision searches for whatever reason in the world to not release mod tools, which I think if this is true, happened long time ago, when bo3 itself was an undeveloped idea."We'll loose money on dlc, console sales will go down, this man was staring at me funny! No mod tools!"Spoiler: click to open...Well I personally even never thought that activision release mod tools ever at all
What if activision says he's the reason for no bo3 mod tools :troll:Yeh coz BO3 mod tools are really a thing. ::)
Yeh coz BO3 mod tools are really a thing. ::)Ok yea I never thought they would release mod tools for bo3 either
What's wrong with donations so mapper can buy himself a coffee. It's just for closed beta obviously, you will get a free map once it's released. This is why I don't even bother mapping..Even if you mapped you wouldn't have the same problem unless you made people pay for your beta, then you'd why this mess right here
I said this earlier but people refused to believe it; people rarely donate out of the kindness of their heart alone, you might think 'well if they enjoy the map and there's a donate button people will happily donate' like fuck they will. ;D 99% of people will only 'donate' if they know they are getting something in return. It's a fact.
I donated to UGX-MODS about a year ago out of the kindness of my heart because I thoght it was a good site and I wanted to help out a bit :P And it was not because of the UGX beta that you got if you donated. :)So did I. But not many do. If people really believe this then maybe I should ask Trem to show the donation figures before and after Requiem... ::)
GUYS NO OFFENSE BUT I AM HYPER ANNOYED
Paid for oilrig (donation - no worries)
Finally installed it - no worries pain but works now
Got to loading screen - says unauthorized user.
Being a good respectful user on the forum, tried all the right things.
Tried to open a help desk ticket - system says not right security parameters for password, tried many but no luck.. However system does not even tell you what are the guidelines. Kill me
Sent an email to general@ugx-mods - no answer or confirmation they even got my mail
Someone on the chat said send a PM to Terminator - guess what i guess since i don't have 20 posts approved i can't use PM yet???? Kill me
I have a paid for copy at waw, followed all the directions... but still can't play this map.
Sorry for venting but this is super frustrating. I am basically out of options on how to get help from the community
But Trem,
with the donation we get special inside info on [CENSORED: TOP SECRET] and on the side of getting a rank that would last permanently. We would be recognized by donating for you to get more props for the UGX store and maybe another engine to work on.
With Oil Rig, We would just be donating for a map that will be free in just about a week. Not to mention I'm not paying after the whole "event" between MZ and Stevie, yet He gains the audacity to ask for money from me?Spoiler: click to open...Just kidding everyone knows about requiem by now
GUYS NO OFFENSE BUT I AM HYPER ANNOYEDFirst off I'm sorry for how much trouble you've gone to trying to get help, I've been in situations like that before and I know how annoying it is when you can't get a hold of anyone.
Paid for oilrig (donation - no worries)
Finally installed it - no worries pain but works now
Got to loading screen - says unauthorized user.
Being a good respectful user on the forum, tried all the right things.
Tried to open a help desk ticket - system says not right security parameters for password, tried many but no luck.. However system does not even tell you what are the guidelines. Kill me
Sent an email to general@ugx-mods - no answer or confirmation they even got my mail
Someone on the chat said send a PM to Terminator - guess what i guess since i don't have 20 posts approved i can't use PM yet???? Kill me
I have a paid for copy at waw, followed all the directions... but still can't play this map.
Sorry for venting but this is super frustrating. I am basically out of options on how to get help from the community
GUYS NO OFFENSE BUT I AM HYPER ANNOYED
Paid for oilrig (donation - no worries)
Finally installed it - no worries pain but works now
Got to loading screen - says unauthorized user.
Being a good respectful user on the forum, tried all the right things.
Tried to open a help desk ticket - system says not right security parameters for password, tried many but no luck.. However system does not even tell you what are the guidelines. Kill me
Sent an email to general@ugx-mods - no answer or confirmation they even got my mail
Someone on the chat said send a PM to Terminator - guess what i guess since i don't have 20 posts approved i can't use PM yet???? Kill me
I have a paid for copy at waw, followed all the directions... but still can't play this map.
Sorry for venting but this is super frustrating. I am basically out of options on how to get help from the community
Even if you mapped you wouldn't have the same problem unless you made people pay for your beta, then you'd why this mess right hereI guess I am. I already got shit all over me anyway.
Who's the ugx janitor, we have a oil mess
Everyone can play it now. I got the map and put it below for anyone to dl for free:Spoiler: click to open...(https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faithit.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F06%2Fsike.jpg&hash=a1456cdd727ed9d46d6af155b7ee5a0b4302c891)
lol best comment yet
lol best comment yetDidn't you get banned :troll:
clearly a lot of people are not happy about the prospect of mappers being able to make money back through paid betas, even if the public release will be free.
As it stands, the only people making money from CZ are Youtubers and Twitch streamers. Often the mapper doesn't even get so much as a mention, and sometimes even the map name isn't even included, let alone a link. So while some guy who downloads, plays, then uploads the map for 30 mins rakes in the money, while the mapper who spent over a year working on it has to sit there watching them, twiddling their thumbs getting absolutely jack shit.
Clearly, something is wrong here.
This is the only feasible way for a mapper to get rewarded by the audience.
I saw your one post about having a donation button under each mapper, and I really like that idea, it lets people that can help out their favorite mapper, would love to see this added
this is also exactly my argument, but then I fight back with myself saying "Well aren't I doing this to see the enjoyment and reactions of others?" so Im really on the fence with this, I totally agree but disagree at the same time, so I just kinda keep it to myself :P
I seem to recall a certain youtube channel disrespecting you on a live broadcast mocking your reputation and telling Treyarch to wipe their ass with your resume before discarding it. They even had the courtesy to leave that in their edited videos on youtube. Five minutes of disrespect, ten minutes of hounding you for being offended, and then a non-apology. The ego on that guy is insane.It was HeXZombies wasn't it? I still have his recording of him bitching out chroma for nothing on my computer somewhere. Everyone knows HeX was, and still is, a little bitch.
With friends like that, you probably need new friends.
First off I'm sorry for how much trouble you've gone to trying to get help, I've been in situations like that before and I know how annoying it is when you can't get a hold of anyone.
I don't have any emails from you in my inbox, and I checked my spam folder. Are you sure you sent it to [email protected]? Also I'm not sure what the password requirements are for Jira, that's Delta's department lol.
What do you think funds the making of UGX Mod V.1.1? More than anything, and I'm sure Trem will agree, it's the sheer man hours that is the biggest problem. Sure, you could make a shitty mod/map in a short amount a time, and sure you could try to make it donation only. Like Radi says, is anyone going to pay for that? Of course not, such a lame argument to say 'well everyone is going to do this now'. Since I've been in the scene, I can count about 3 maybe 4 maps that are of the standard that I would happily pay for them. The rest I don't even download when they are free!I know what is currently funding the UGX-Mods, as I stated earlier, It's the donations, whether out of the generosity of their hearts, or to gain access to UGX Requiem, the money goes directly to UGX-Mods to develop the Mod and Fund the sites preservation. I'm still lost as to what was the point of this. The only annoying point is if this WAS a donation to UGX-Mods and yourself, why do (or should I say would) donators have to donate once again? I currently have the thought that every 3 out of 4 dollars donated goes straight into your PayPal account (i'm just going off of what Trem said that you get the 'larger portion' of any donation) so one must assume, that this is still a sale of a product, because we give you money, you give us access to your map, nothing else. With UGX, We donate to site, we get donator status, access to a previously blocked portion of the site, as well as gaining access to Requiem.
I say nuke ths topic and everything it stands for!Or we just have BWC spamming random crap because he's likes the attention and can't miss out on a bit of drama...::)
Or we just have BWC spamming random crap because he's likes the attention and can't miss out on a bit of drama...::)Shhhhh me just bored as fuck
I say if it was Box Plus V3 that had been the paid beta no one would have cared. :(Because Box Plus V3 sounds like more of a joke than "Ballbags 5: Have a Happy Homeless Holocaust". But don't get me wrong, I donate to play that Ballbags map too.
I say if it was Box Plus V3 that had been the paid beta no one would have cared. :(Actually I think everyone would have gone even more mad
It was HeXZombies wasn't it? I still have his recording of him bitching out chroma for nothing on my computer somewhere. Everyone knows HeX was, and still is, a little bitch.
Back only a few days and attacked by a keyboard warrior. :alone:Actually MAK is quite the warrior IRL too. Just the other day in chat he told me of a violent struggle he had with a bucket and a window and somehow ended up in A&E with a smashed-in head.
Back only a few days and attacked by a keyboard warrior. :alone:Oh, um, Oh hey Hex, we were just talking about you...only good things though :-[
Oh, um, Oh hey Hex, we were just talking about you...only good things though :-[
I don't care man lol - just kids being kids, that's why I don't come on here much anymore - to much drama over a video game.Yeh agreed.
I don't care man lol - just kids being kids, that's why I don't come on here much anymore - to much drama over a video game.But hex, I Love you, please stay
I don't care man lol - just kids being kids, that's why I don't come on here much anymore - to much drama over a video game.
Yeh agreed.
*cough* Chroma *cough*.
Actually MAK is quite the warrior IRL too. Just the other day in chat he told me of a violent struggle he had with a bucket and a window and somehow ended up in A&E with a smashed-in head.I was in a tractor bucket moving a futon into my house through the second floor window and I tripped on the fucking paper thin hard plastic windows have and broke through my chin with the leg of the futon going just above my chin, but not into my mouth. This could've re-broken my jaw from the time I was smashed into a wall by a bull and I was scared out of my mind of that happening. Glad you show some fucking compassion for my injuries.
For anyone who might be concerned, rest assured, the bucket and window were not harmed.
I was in a tractor bucket moving a futon into my house through the second floor window and I tripped on the fucking paper thin hard plastic windows have and broke through my chin with the leg of the futon going just above my chin, but not into my mouth. This could've re-broken my jaw from the time I was smashed into a wall by a bull and I was scared out of my mind of that happening. Glad you show some fucking compassion for my injuries.Everyone hates everyone secretly on this site man... :(
I was in a tractor bucket moving a futon into my house through the second floor window and I tripped on the fucking paper thin hard plastic windows have and broke through my chin with the leg of the futon going just above my chin, but not into my mouth. This could've re-broken my jaw from the time I was smashed into a wall by a bull and I was scared out of my mind of that happening. Glad you show some fucking compassion for my injuries.Please tell that story ;D
Please tell that story ;DIt was the day after Christmas. We live on a farm so naturally I had to go out to milk cows. Above our milking parlor is where we store feed, but I have to push it down manually into feeders so the cows eat during milking and don't get crazy. I came out about 10 minutes before anyone because I wanted to mess around with a cheat code book I had gotten at Borders (just a perspective on how long ago this was XD). I go out the back door and see the bull. I just shrug him off because he wasn't the crazy type and was causing no trouble. I open the 2 back doors of the parlor to let the cows in and start climbing the iron ladder when the bull gets nuts and smashes my back into the iron ladder, my jaw colliding with the rung in front of me. He proceeded to hit me 2 more times until he walked away. I could feel what I could only assume was the hinge joint to the skull inside my mouth. I climb the fence right next to me to get out of the fenced in area where we keep the cows during milking and make my way to the gates to our yard. My brother comes out and sees me struggling and gets my ass back in the house. By this point, there was blood EVERYWHERE. My face. My clothes. Maybe even some made it on my boots. My mom sees me bleeding from the mouth and assumes I had fallen on the ice (I'm clumsy as hell so not hard to believe). She sees the bone inside my mouth and rushes me to the hospital. After about a hour, I'm in surgery and they put a titanium plate below my jaw to hold it up. Since they never had done it on children before (I was 10 at the time), it obviously fell out of place. The have a second go at it and I wake up about half way through the second surgery in the night. This is where it gets kind of messed up because drugs. I either woke up and they took me back to the surgery prep room or they put me back out and kept working. I'm not sure which. I made it through obviously and get a beautiful scar on the left side of my neck and my left cheek. I can't seem to muster more than a half smile now because of it. Spent 6 weeks recovering and tons of dentistry work to repair my shattered teeth (I still have them in a cup somewhere). I spend that time eating through a straw and hardly being able to get out of bed. If I laughed, I'd pull at the wires they put through my gums to make sure I didn't open my mouth too wide and ruin all the work. My jaw seems to be permanently crooked from the incident and I decided to not get surgery to hide the scars on my face because it's a part of me now that I never want to forget. Happy stevie?
It was the day after Christmas. We live on a farm so naturally I had to go out to milk cows. Above our milking parlor is where we store feed, but I have to push it down manually into feeders so the cows eat during milking and don't get crazy. I came out about 10 minutes before anyone because I wanted to mess around with a cheat code book I had gotten at Borders (just a perspective on how long ago this was XD). I go out the back door and see the bull. I just shrug him off because he wasn't the crazy type and was causing no trouble. I open the 2 back doors of the parlor to let the cows in and start climbing the iron ladder when the bull gets nuts and smashes my back into the iron ladder, my jaw colliding with the rung in front of me. He proceeded to hit me 2 more times until he walked away. I could feel what I could only assume was the hinge joint to the skull inside my mouth. I climb the fence right next to me to get out of the fenced in area where we keep the cows during milking and make my way to the gates to our yard. My brother comes out and sees me struggling and gets my ass back in the house. By this point, there was blood EVERYWHERE. My face. My clothes. Maybe even some made it on my boots. My mom sees me bleeding from the mouth and assumes I had fallen on the ice (I'm clumsy as hell so not hard to believe). She sees the bone inside my mouth and rushes me to the hospital. After about a hour, I'm in surgery and they put a titanium plate below my jaw to hold it up. Since they never had done it on children before (I was 10 at the time), it obviously fell out of place. The have a second go at it and I wake up about half way through the second surgery in the night. This is where it gets kind of messed up because drugs. I either woke up and they took me back to the surgery prep room or they put me back out and kept working. I'm not sure which. I made it through obviously and get a beautiful scar on the left side of my neck and my left cheek. I can't seem to muster more than a half smile now because of it. Spent 6 weeks recovering and tons of dentistry work to repair my shattered teeth (I still have them in a cup somewhere). I spend that time eating through a straw and hardly being able to get out of bed. If I laughed, I'd pull at the wires they put through my gums to make sure I didn't open my mouth too wide and ruin all the work. My jaw seems to be permanently crooked from the incident and I decided to not get surgery to hide the scars on my face because it's a part of me now that I never want to forget. Happy stevie?
It was the day after Christmas. We live on a farm so naturally I had to go out to milk cows. Above our milking parlor is where we store feed, but I have to push it down manually into feeders so the cows eat during milking and don't get crazy. I came out about 10 minutes before anyone because I wanted to mess around with a cheat code book I had gotten at Borders (just a perspective on how long ago this was XD). I go out the back door and see the bull. I just shrug him off because he wasn't the crazy type and was causing no trouble. I open the 2 back doors of the parlor to let the cows in and start climbing the iron ladder when the bull gets nuts and smashes my back into the iron ladder, my jaw colliding with the rung in front of me. He proceeded to hit me 2 more times until he walked away. I could feel what I could only assume was the hinge joint to the skull inside my mouth. I climb the fence right next to me to get out of the fenced in area where we keep the cows during milking and make my way to the gates to our yard. My brother comes out and sees me struggling and gets my ass back in the house. By this point, there was blood EVERYWHERE. My face. My clothes. Maybe even some made it on my boots. My mom sees me bleeding from the mouth and assumes I had fallen on the ice (I'm clumsy as hell so not hard to believe). She sees the bone inside my mouth and rushes me to the hospital. After about a hour, I'm in surgery and they put a titanium plate below my jaw to hold it up. Since they never had done it on children before (I was 10 at the time), it obviously fell out of place. The have a second go at it and I wake up about half way through the second surgery in the night. This is where it gets kind of messed up because drugs. I either woke up and they took me back to the surgery prep room or they put me back out and kept working. I'm not sure which. I made it through obviously and get a beautiful scar on the left side of my neck and my left cheek. I can't seem to muster more than a half smile now because of it. Spent 6 weeks recovering and tons of dentistry work to repair my shattered teeth (I still have them in a cup somewhere). I spend that time eating through a straw and hardly being able to get out of bed. If I laughed, I'd pull at the wires they put through my gums to make sure I didn't open my mouth too wide and ruin all the work. My jaw seems to be permanently crooked from the incident and I decided to not get surgery to hide the scars on my face because it's a part of me now that I never want to forget. Happy stevie?
It was the day after Christmas... I decided to not get surgery to hide the scars on my face because it's a part of me now that I never want to forget. Happy stevie?Yea, that is not funny at all. Can we please be friends now? Stevie and MAK - let's hug it out!
Yea, that is not funny at all. Can we please be friends now? Stevie and MAK - let's hug it out!I doubt we could ever be friends after all the fights. The only thing I think we can agree on is that every map, however crappy or good it is, should be creative as possible and you should be as creative as you can be with what you got. In that case, I'll give stevie one thing: I do like the EMP nova crawlers from Oil Rig and how they were used with the EE. That I did like.
(http://i.imgur.com/XK5Xm6V.jpg?1)
I doubt we could ever be friends after all the fights. The only thing I think we can agree on is that every map, however crappy or good it is, should be creative as possible and you should be as creative as you can be with what you got. In that case, I'll give stevie one thing: I do like the EMP nova crawlers from Oil Rig and how they were used with the EE. That I did like.Well thankyou MAK, and I like your, er, profile pic. :)
Well thankyou MAK, and I like your, er, profile pic. :)Don't bother trying to come up with things. I haven't shown completely publicly any of my stuff, but Rainy Death and Project Contamination are due to feature some of my work, although, not my best work. Just simple powerups and stuff.
It was the day after Christmas. We live on a farm so naturally I had to go out to milk cows. Above our milking parlor is where we store feed, but I have to push it down manually into feeders so the cows eat during milking and don't get crazy. I came out about 10 minutes before anyone because I wanted to mess around with a cheat code book I had gotten at Borders (just a perspective on how long ago this was XD). I go out the back door and see the bull. I just shrug him off because he wasn't the crazy type and was causing no trouble. I open the 2 back doors of the parlor to let the cows in and start climbing the iron ladder when the bull gets nuts and smashes my back into the iron ladder, my jaw colliding with the rung in front of me. He proceeded to hit me 2 more times until he walked away. I could feel what I could only assume was the hinge joint to the skull inside my mouth. I climb the fence right next to me to get out of the fenced in area where we keep the cows during milking and make my way to the gates to our yard. My brother comes out and sees me struggling and gets my ass back in the house. By this point, there was blood EVERYWHERE. My face. My clothes. Maybe even some made it on my boots. My mom sees me bleeding from the mouth and assumes I had fallen on the ice (I'm clumsy as hell so not hard to believe). She sees the bone inside my mouth and rushes me to the hospital. After about a hour, I'm in surgery and they put a titanium plate below my jaw to hold it up. Since they never had done it on children before (I was 10 at the time), it obviously fell out of place. The have a second go at it and I wake up about half way through the second surgery in the night. This is where it gets kind of messed up because drugs. I either woke up and they took me back to the surgery prep room or they put me back out and kept working. I'm not sure which. I made it through obviously and get a beautiful scar on the left side of my neck and my left cheek. I can't seem to muster more than a half smile now because of it. Spent 6 weeks recovering and tons of dentistry work to repair my shattered teeth (I still have them in a cup somewhere). I spend that time eating through a straw and hardly being able to get out of bed. If I laughed, I'd pull at the wires they put through my gums to make sure I didn't open my mouth too wide and ruin all the work. My jaw seems to be permanently crooked from the incident and I decided to not get surgery to hide the scars on my face because it's a part of me now that I never want to forget.
wanna know whats more depressing MAK? being a community mapper since 2012 and still not own a copy of cod waw so i play on tombmx account while others pile up the supposed dough for unreleased maps and unreleased tools :lol: also never played MOTD or BURIEDGet out. Get out now. You are no longer welcome here.
Get out. Get out now. You are no longer welcome here.
First of all NO ONE would even concider donating to someone making a shitty BOXMAP BETA lol so there is no slips or slopes then again if you make even half as decent map as oilrig then maby you should be on the first page on ugx :P but lets stop speculating and get real since i doubt you will make something like oilrig anyways there is no need for this hypothetical discussion. However if you DO it then welcome back 2016-2017 when your map is up to snuff and we can talk about it then...
While we are still thinking about a solution and analyze what exactly went wrong etc. we really hoped we could push here a discussion about that topic.You want pros and cons? Fine. I'll try my best.
Apparently as usual in this community there are these who are against anything, and ignoring reasons nor want to find a better solution (and then give us additional trouble, personal thank you - now I can work my ass 48 hours of a day)
[IMHO] part now
What we see here is the classic bullshit which I'm so tired of.
Off topic crap, life stories which (as sad they are) are totally unneeded here, mapping skills and thinks like
"OH I wouldn't charge - but if one starts -> everyone would"
I was hoping to get some valid arguments. A pro and con side, objectively based.
But yeah stupid me - that community is full of emotions, mostly hate against this and that or a person.
One thing which I appreciate was that Mr. X would then make something out of it, although he had help by Mr. Y and Z.
Thats something I used against the YAW map only things, but totally did not consider here.
Our main goal was to give mappers something of the cake as well.
(and my personal interest in developing a system)
I know many do this for FUN and their hobby. So did I.
If you don't want money, thats your choice. And no matter why, it doesn't mean that everyone should act like you.
I totally agree with that mods should be free. It would be a disaster otherwise.
But thats not the point - as it still would be free soon or later.
It seems like the forced way is not an option. (Although it went fine with Comosea and Requiem)
I hope we come up with a solution which works for those who dislike the current approach (and I exclude these people, who screamed loud)
We could force the release any time.What about getting paid only after the release?
But the argument that the mapper tries to delay it etc is a valid point.
But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore. They would just take longer.
(but I do understand the issue behind it - also not every map would take this approach)
We made sure the map follows a certain quality.
I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system.
We could force the release any time.
But the argument that the mapper tries to delay it etc is a valid point.
But it's untrue that maps won't be free anymore. They would just take longer.
(but I do understand the issue behind it - also not every map would take this approach)
We made sure the map follows a certain quality.
I highly doubt that box maps would be in this system.
"you could force the release any time" no technically speaking you carnt unless you hack the pc that has the filesThey would just release it at its stage, since it's already on there site being a paid beta, they'd just change that to free if needed
They would just release it at its stage, since it's already on there site being a paid beta, they'd just change that to free if neededtoo late by them the mapper will have already recived money for it
I think it's pretty easy to tell a map that is worth paying for: The Swan, UGX Requiem, Leviathan, Oil Rig, Dead Ship, HoboVille and probably a few more here.i fully comprehend this. but lets say they were doing this for long term, ok lets start off by discussing the REAL issues and problems that will arise i mean come on money is involved no1 is going to say no to a few bob, but it would be a lot better if they gave the option to all current ugx mappers that have held the mapper stats for 2 to 4 months before giving the mapper the choice if he wants his/her map to be a payed for beta
This would be something that a prospective mapper would have to discuss with the UGX team and prove to them that their map is worth doing a donation for beta. Not every maps should be worth this, if you wanna try to do this on your own website with your latest box map then fine, but it won't fly here on UGX & you all know how UGX values quality so you know you won't screwed over. (Again - no one has to donate - waiting for full release is an option)
Also, UGX should mandate that the mapper release his map to the public for free within 3-6 months so that this isn't drawn out for years.
I think it's pretty easy to tell a map that is worth paying for: The Swan, UGX Requiem, Leviathan, Oil Rig, Dead Ship, HoboVille and probably a few more here.Exactly.
This would be something that a prospective mapper would have to discuss with the UGX team and prove to them that their map is worth doing a donation for beta. Not every maps should be worth this, if you wanna try to do this on your own website with your latest box map then fine, but it won't fly here on UGX & you all know how UGX values quality so you know you won't screwed over. (Again - no one has to donate - waiting for full release is an option)
Also, UGX should mandate that the mapper release his map to the public for free within 3-6 months so that this isn't drawn out for years.
CONS:In answer to these points, to the people whining 'well the beta will go on forever in this case', well no, there will be a set release date for 2 months time, so no matter what the map will be released then.
We aren't positive a full release will EVER come out. MAJOR ISSUE. It'd be tough luck for anyone that didn't want to pay.
Everyone might try paid betas then. MAJOR ISSUE. No maps will be free anymore and you wouldn't be able to have a fun night with some friends without opening up PayPal.
Rushing maps. People might try to put our maps like factories with no regard to detail or bug fixing because money.
Nothing more than getting a map. Now, this one confuses me. People complain they're only getting a map for $4, but that's pretty much what zombies fans do when Treyarch makes a map. I mean, you pay $15 for MOTD DLC just for MOTD and you never play MP? Well, that's the same case here, but less bullshitting around.
I'm not asking people to donate to my map nor will I ever but why does HE get to make a map and charge for beta. Also why are you changing the subject to my mapping skills
nearly 18 pages of getting nowhereI have 11 pages :troll:
I have 11 pages :troll:your stupid lol :D
Don't bother trying to come up with things. I haven't shown completely publicly any of my stuff, but Rainy Death and Project Contamination are due to feature some of my work, although, not my best work. Just simple powerups and stuff.
I don't mind the idea of a paid beta, as long as the finished product is free.
It is, it would be released publicly 2 months after the beta.
Two whole months? :oSo after waiting more than a year people can't wait another 2 months for the sake of $4?
So after waiting more than a year people can't wait another 2 months for the sake of $4?
It is, it would be released publicly 2 months after the beta.
I'd give more reasons but on a tablet again.Nope, nope, that's fine, we've heard the speeches already. I love you like a son Daedra, but the powers that be don't agree with you and we've heard it all before.
two whole months jesus christ that's excessive.Have you played Requiem? How long has that been in Beta?
The swan? Worth paying for?! :0Not everyone plays on a potato Alex...::)
It was HeXZombies wasn't it? I still have his recording of him bitching out chroma for nothing on my computer somewhere. Everyone knows HeX was, and still is, a little bitch.Hex Zombies, not HeX - thank you very much...
How about this? When a mapper starts a WIP he may contact someone at UGX (sure, I'll be the guy for this, thank you for asking) and he will assess the project and if it gets approved then the person or team can be given a donate button on their WIP so that people can donate to a mapper and it will in no way be viewed as paying for content since the money changing hands will not coincide with the release of the map. I'd be glad to invest in a project that I believe in. Will this proposal satisfy the douche bags out there? Speak douche bags!
Nope, nope, that's fine, we've heard the speeches already. I love you like a son Daedra, but the powers that be don't agree with you and we've heard it all before.
So according to "the powers that be", Treyarch(Activision) doesn't own the content they produce. K then, wish i knew that earlier, would have ripped all of the assets from BO2 and made my own game using them called: Duty of Calls: White Ops and sold beta access for $4. They wouldn't mind, right? Not like they own the rights to it, atleast according to "the powers that be".omg DD who gives a crap honestly
Edit: Actually, Treyarch(Activision) doesn't even own the rights to Call of Duty. So i can just make a new call of duty game AND decompile the engine, modify, sell it, etc.
No need to insult people who have put forward some valid arguments.
Only problem with this proposal is what happens if the WIP is cancelled by the mapper? The WIP would have to be well on its way into development to show that it will be completed. Otherwise sounds fine.
Its not about dont want to pay to play.who CARES
Its about whether if this can be done legally.
your not supporting the "map" your supporting the "mapper"If you want to support the mapper then don't connect the donation to the map. Just put a donate button on the map topic.
I'm fine with the paid beta or paid early access myself, I'm just not sure about the repurcussions that could follow.there will be none
If you want to support the mapper then don't connect the donation to the map. Just put a donate button on the map topic.we never suggested that in the first place, we suggested adding the button to your profile
omg DD who gives a crap honestly
I dont, im sure activision dont
Companies yes, but Modders?yes modders
A lot of people, apparently. Otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place.
Maybe i should hit them up on twitter and find out...
very mature, why am i not surprised
the first place, we suggested adding the button to your profileThat would work to.
Why isn't it mature?
and I'm also very disappointed in anyone who was low enough to report the website to Activision on Twitter or otherwise - keep your business here with us if you want the community to survive as a whole.
but please do, go right ahead and watch the multi million dollar company show absolutely no interestActually they're probably multi-billion I think? And I think they're slightly busy atm with a little thing called BO3, and probably don't give 2 shits about the goings on of a 7 y/o game. Just like Requiem, and Comosea, and COD4, etc.
Instead of making this topic, we could all just read this: http://www.activision.com/legal/terms-of-use (http://www.activision.com/legal/terms-of-use)
::)
wow really?Yes. It works ;)
Because all you do is complain and cause trouble over trivial matters that in the long run, dont matter
and in response you want to attack the community for trying to raise money to reward hard work and maintain the site. THATS why its immature - IM TELLING MOM
Actually they're probably multi-billion I think? And I think they're slightly busy atm with a little thing called BO3, and probably don't give 2 shits about the goings on of a 7 y/o game. Just like Requiem, and Comosea, and COD4, etc.
What one perceives to be trivial is entirely up the individual person. To me and other people this is obviously a big deal.erm, coz you ASKED why its childish?
I have no problem with a donate button being added to the profile. I think its a great idea.
As for the whole "i'm telling mom" thing. You guys said it yourself that its 100% legal and its OK for you to do it, so why is it a big deal?
People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.dude, its not even their business anyway
you have no idea what your talking about
stealing the engine, reverse engineering things that your not already legally allowed to do, or "copyright" - as in stealing assets and using them in other programs - is what you get a C&D for
and thats up to them, not you guys
like Chrono trigger Ressurection. And that is literally the ONLY time ive heard of this happening, and the quality alone explained why, along with all copyright characters, locations, songs, story, etc
People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make 1 or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.I thought the whole point of making custom zombies maps was for fun. Well at least it used to be. Okay I guess It's about something in return now! oh boy!
Do i really need to remind you of your own words?
can garuntee - could it start a argument? Yes - then DD will be there
Could it be coded better? - DD will be there
Does it have a IWD - DD will be there
Is it not COD 5 stock stuff? - DD WILL BE THERE
I thought the whole point of making custom zombies maps was for fun. Well at least it used to be. Okay I guess It's about something in return now! oh boy!...
...Um... you please READ AGAIN. He said we want something in return. and I said "Okay I guess it's about something in return now! oh boy!" I never mentioned money.
please read again
We didnt say its all about money
and if you guys actually used your eyes, you would see it WILL BE FREE
AND
HE RELEASED ANOTHER MAP TO TIDE YOU OVER WITH HALF THE OIL RIG FEATURES
like seriously are people just blind? or purposefully ignorant?
Well at least it used to be. Okay I guess It's about something in return now
And DD, just STFU, all you do is moan and complain and HARSHLY JUDGE AND CRITICISE ( no trying to "help people improve", dont kid yourself ), you bring absolutely NOTHING to the table, and are just generally a argumentative ass to over half the community
No one gives a damn what you say or think
what else are you getting in return thenI was just saying none of you "skilled" mappers want to make maps for fun anymore. That's what it's been since I started a long while back, then I joined here and saw that everyone was just having fun also. I was enjoying it. Then donations come to play out of no where. I know you haven't been in the community as long as most of us so you don't see all the fun and games everyone used to have. I just wish it was still like that but apparently no it's not.
and as you said
on a topic about a donation for service topic, so put 2 and 2 together mate
or do tell me what else you are "getting" from this
Nothing huh? I guess all of the help topics i've participated in, respect, Soviet mod + template, etc is nothing. OK.yipee
But since when did this become about me? Isn't it a bit off-topic?
I was just saying none of you "skilled" mappers want to make maps for fun anymore. That's what it's been since I started a long while back, then I joined here and saw that everyone was just having fun also. I was enjoying it. Then donations come to play out of no where. I know you haven't been in the community as long as most of us so you don't see all the fun and games everyone used to have. I just wish it was still like that but apparently no it's not.
I never mentioned money
none of you "skilled" mappers want to make maps for fun anymore
Then donations come to play out of no where
Its getting a bit too heated isnt it?
Its getting a bit too heated isnt it?yeah coz people are throwing around accusations, opinions and statements they dont even understand
yipee
Yet everything else you say or do, is nothing but negative bullshit
and im yet to see a "soviet mod" map made
yet i still see constant lists of criticism from you on everyone else shit
just give up already bro, all you do is prove your here solely to bash people not as skilled as you, as anything of GOOD quality, you completely ignore
I have said positive things, actually. Not that long ago i said how i liked the scale(size) of old_castle map that was just released.
I've made two, been working on like 3. Don't think most know you can easily create a map using it, or if they do they just don't have the interest since this is a zombie community.
Again, i do say positive things, just not very often.
Complete lie. I liked Leviathan's level design and have stated that plenty of times before.
Requiem Release Date: November 29, 2014 (2 years ago according to Harry).try looking at the edit before trying to pick out the minor inaccuracies
I donated because it helped produce ugx mod. didn't play the map much.
Not donating for this because there is no good cause for it.
I donated because it helped produce ugx mod. didn't play the map much.
Not donating for this because there is no good cause for it.
Once again. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE MAPthen WHY are you even in this conversation?
you never say a single nice or constructive thing EVER
and even if you do, you write in in such a prickish way, it comes across that way regardless
Your kinda contradicting yourself, but OK.lol whatever bro, read what that word means
I'm not going to participate in this off-topic sub discussion anymore.
I've decided to create my own "Unofficial Script Patch" for Leviathan. This patch will include fixes for every error that i can find within the map which will in turn make the map MUCH more playable(no G spawn errors). It will take awhile(a few days at least) but the end result will definitely be worth it!
I am also keeping a change log for every error that i find - currently i haven't even been able to play the map because of how broken this map is - but i'll get to that point eventually.
Current changelog(image):
Other notes about this patch:
- This patch will only include script errors that World at War complains about during normal gameplay(So i'm not testing things like the EE unless someone wants to help out).
- Absolutely no scripts/code is being taken from this map by me for personal use. My goal is strictly to help the developers out and make this map what it should and could have been on release.
- All credits for the original work that went into this belongs to Treyarch and the guys behind Leviathan, only the script edits that fix the errors are mine.
- if requested by the developers, i will abandon this patch at any time.
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and even if you do, you write in in such a prickish way, it comes across that way regardlessHe helped me with scripts, helped me with computer problems, helped me with many things on here than you wouldn't have. He also didn't say it in a prickish way. Also, all arguments that are between you two are started by you Harry. You always say to DD, all you do is criticize. All you do is complain and bam that starts a whole argument again. It would be great if these would stop so we can all just enjoy this community and stop kicking other people out, making them not feel welcome. mods are supposed to make people feel welcome i thought but this is my last message here. I'm out ;)
Not everyone plays on a potato Alex...::)
Can't we just put a "Donate" button under the person's profile for those who want to help support him/her and leave it at that?
If people were releasing full maps they've created that they're already done with AND they were asking for donations, then I can see why people would be so pissed about it. But this is just a beta, so...
Actually its really early access.
Even if i could play it properly i wouldnt buy it, its got nothing on maps like Requiem and Leviathanwhy? because no Ray-Gun Mark 2?
Daedra Decent: I understand you know a lot about the legal side of things, but please, can we just stop constantly saying that 'this shits illegal', although you might be right, Activision probably doesn't even care, because, if they did indeed care, why haven't people like TOM-BMX been arrested for selling assets.
Harry: Your a a Moderator bro, just calm your farm, your giving them ammunition to throw back at you, so just stop
can say what they like, i really dont careI'm sorry but I was just saying that you've never helped me specifically. DD has. I know you have helped other people and I'm just saying me specifically you haven't. I'm sorry about all this now, people can get back on topic. This is resolved hopefully.
Im nothing but helpful around here, regardless of what gerard says, to start with hes using a list of my stuff as it is.
Then there is literally a list of other maps with my name in credits for "helping" or for "giving" my features to them. Fuck i spent 12 hours on teamspeak setting up the mod tools on some italian guys pc ffs...
When I "had an opinion" that people shouldnt tamper with other peoples mods, it also got flamed for "having an opinion" which is the very thing this is. Funny how it never seems to go both ways when a site mod is involved so i really couldnt care less anymore
The people "threatening" ugx overthis have "proved" that they dont give 2 fks about this community in my "opinion" as it is
I'm sorry but I was just saying that you've never helped me specifically. DD has. I know you have helped other people and I'm just saying me specifically you haven't. I'm sorry about all this now, people can get back on topic. This is resolved hopefully.I suggest you just stop
I suggest you just stopYea I was testing it. Helping you. and I just said I was just going to stop.
Half the reason i fixed the perks was cause YOU were the one reporting issues
People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make 1 or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.No one forces the mappers to make big maps like leviathan, the mapper could just stop anytime if the mapper thought it wasn't worth it, they choose that themselves obviously. Otherwise they would never ever even start on a big map like that if they really thought it was not worth the time to make it.
Gerard you just said you have no interest in the map so go away then, why are you posting?This topic was about donating not the map itself.
No one forces the mappers to make big maps like leviathan, the mapper could just stop anytime if the mapper thought it wasn't worth it, they choose that themselves obviously. Otherwise they would never ever even start on a big map like that if they really thought it was not worth the time to make it.+1
This topic was about donating not the map itself.
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well i just woke up to the aftermath of whatever mess was here this morning. clearly a lot of people are not happy about the prospect of mappers being able to make money back through paid betas, even if the public release will be free. i'm very surprised by the response of some mappers earlier who don't see the potential in this, and I'm also very disappointed in anyone who was low enough to report the website to Activision on Twitter or otherwise - keep your business here with us if you want the community to survive as a whole.
anyway this is not worth upsetting the community over the money we would have received to continue supporting this website. for example we just spent $4,000USD of requiem/site donations (i have a receipt for this) on a one year license for the Qt framework to use for the upcoming UGX Launcher redesign which will be released before the end of this year. like we've always said in the past we use the money you guys are kind of enough to donate in order to improve your experience and keep the site online. we are also planning on updating our servers again within the next year.
if this is just about stevie and not about UGX supporting the paid donation process then fine, but I just wanted to make it clear where the money is going on our side. please feel free to discuss both in this topic.
No one forces the mappers to make big maps like leviathan, the mapper could just stop anytime if the mapper thought it wasn't worth it, they choose that themselves obviously. Otherwise they would never ever even start on a big map like that if they really thought it was not worth the time to make it.
I remind you of the topic name :Okay sorry misread. Well it's about either so yea. I'm sorry.
and its contents :
Okay sorry misread. Well it's about either so yea. I'm sorry.gerard you dont understand this chat at all
No one forces the mappers to make big maps like leviathan, the mapper could just stop anytime if the mapper thought it wasn't worth it, they choose that themselves obviously. Otherwise they would never ever even start on a big map like that if they really thought it was not worth the time to make it.Then once they've made it they think 'great, that just took a year, and now I'll get nothing for this, I know let's make another one.' ::)
People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make 1 or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.
you can chose to make money off whatever you want in the long run
some people make art for "fun"
bet they would still sell masterpieces
Or im a musician, because i "love" playing guitar, would still consider selling albums
I repair xboxes for "fun", people still pay me
Wrote a website for someone once, again for my own fun and learning, still got paid
Stevie, I don't usually get annoyed with people in the community, but this is just hurting me... You are speaking for us mappers / modders through your eyes, and your mindset on this subject is warped beyond repair. You say "mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return." How can you speak for all us mappers / modders, can we take a step back and take me for example. I've been mapping nearly everyday that I'm at home for the past year and a half. And Nuketown has taken up around 7 months, which I'm still working on the second I'm writing this. Im not looking for money at all? All I (And I presume most of the community want), is to make maps for fun, so other people can have fun playing them. You don't see someone who has a hobby which is costing them tons of money saying.. "I need something in return." So if you do this for something in return then... well. I don't know what to say. So please can you just stop all of this usless BS that in the end will get nowhere. Thank youHey if you want to spend a few years of your life making 1 or 2 maps for absolutely nothing in return then fair play to you, you have my respect. The number of good mappers who have released more than 2 maps are pretty rare which says it all really.
gerard you dont understand this chat at allCause many people on here said it was for the mod itself also. I'm sorry once again.
you still think ugx donations are for requiem/ugx mod, despite the fact they are actually the upkeep of the site...
Hey if you want to spend a few years of your life making 1 or 2 maps for absolutely nothing in return then fair play to you, you have my respect. The number of good mappers who have released more than 2 maps are pretty rare which says it all really.
Then once they've made it they think 'great, that just took a year, and now I'll get nothing for this, I know let's make another one.' ::)All this time since the mod tools got released, people have been making maps for fun and what they get in return is seeing people enjoy. It's been like this for several years now and it has worked well and made both the developer and the player happy, and now suddenly it's just about the money...
Even people still here, were basically gone before the contest came up (I'm looking at you JBird and Bam) let's not give it this moral high ground crap 'people don't map for money'.
A few more examples, Chroma got stuff from NGT for making a map for them, Rollon and Relaxing End, me and Dalek, Smasher and Dalek, Stuffy and Tomikaze, people map for money (or stuff that costs money) all the time. People acting like it's suddenly this 'new' immoral thing. ::)
I just got annoyed since you was speaking for the community in saying we want something in return, because some of us do it to make people happy.
People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make 1 or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.
And DD your opinions are almost universally derided and ridiculed, safe to say no-one cares what you think about anything.
Where did I 'speak for the community'? ???
I just got annoyed since you was speaking for the community in saying we want something in return, because some of us do it to make people happy.again, it will be free in 2 months
All this time since the mod tools got released, people have been making maps for fun and what they get in return is seeing people enjoy. It's been like this for several years now and it has worked well and made both the developer and the player happy, and now suddenly it's just about the money...electronic arts did not "release it for free" 2 months later
Well well, I guess this just another case of a failed "company" well a forum. Look at the worst company in the world, Electronic arts, they used to care about what they did with their games until when they relized how much money they can actually get.
"the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return"Yes just cut me off mid sentence and quote it. ::) I referenced my map, the Leviathan team (who said the same thing), and Herrenhaus, and probably a few others so I put 'etc'. How is that speaking for the community? :facepalm:
Yes just cut me off mid sentence and quote it. ::) I referenced my map, the Leviathan team (who said the same thing), and Herrenhaus, and probably a few others so I put 'etc'. How is that speaking for the community? :facepalm:Well, I guess the leviathan team only have themselves to blame if they said that, they continued anyway. Hell, they even updated it today.
Yes just cut me off mid sentence and quote it. ::) I referenced my map, the Leviathan team (who said the same thing), and Herrenhaus, and probably a few others so I put 'etc'. How is that speaking for the community? :facepalm:I actually agree this should just be locked and removed
2. Most of what i've been saying is fact and can be proven.
1. not relevant to the topic.
Well, I guess the leviathan team only have themselves to blame if they said that, they continued anyway. Hell, they even updated it today.It is a new map? Wow, I thought they just fixed some script things and made an update? Well if it's already a whole new map I'm even more excited to play it now.
I actually agree this should just be locked and removed
People cant actually discuss these things
All they can do is twist the point to make it seem worse than it is, go crying to activision, attack the SITE and lie claiming they would never accept money for this
The whole thing has just become the usual crap we see time and time again
If it were "for fun and enjoyment", we wouldnt have 100s of cancelled maps in LOS because of people coming and hating on them so bad, the mapper cancels and moves on
I think we should all stop playing the "we are such a kind community" card and face facts
people are free to take donations if they want, if you dont like it, dont dontate. And stop "twisting" it to say its "all about money"
Coz by that logic, I remind you just how many absent mappers have ONLY appeared for the contests...
It is a new map? Wow, I thought they just fixed some script things and made an update? Well if it's already a whole new map I'm even more excited to play it now.Nope it isn't a new map, like you said. But they still decided to keep developing the map. No one forced them to continue developing, they could have stopped anytime.
I never said its all about money, its the fact that people are not getting the map the same time as everyone else, its restricting the map from other people since if the beta comes out for donaters, that in theory should be the date it comes out for everyone.. But it isn't. Which is why I think its wrong.and im not talking about "you" specifically, please "try" to see that
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the donating to mappers / modders to encourage them, but not when its pushing out betas to people who pay up, and leaving people who don't pay with no beta.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the donating to mappers / modders to encourage them, but not when its pushing out betas to people who pay up, and leaving people who don't pay with no beta.
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that in theory should be the date it comes out for everyone
Nope it isn't a new map, like you said. But they still decided to keep developing the map. No one forced them to continue developing, they could have stopped anytime.The point was they said this map was a one-off, and they don't plan on making another one like it ever. Not whether or not they provided updates to a map they released to fix bugs and stuff, that's totally irrelevant.
and im not talking about "you" specifically, please "try" to see thatNot bias at all...
I can already tell some of you are just assuming im taking sides coz im friends with Stevie, but thats nothing to do with it. I literally feel people are entitled to take donations, to help them further their work in the future
and im not talking about "you" specifically, please "try" to see that
I can already tell some of you are just assuming im taking sides coz im friends with Stevie, but thats nothing to do with it. I literally feel people are entitled to take donations, to help them further their work in the future
Not bias at all...um, I worked on this damn hard, and "I" am getting fuck all from this donation process, and stuffy said the same
So am I, in fact I think everyone should have a donate button below their name, but it shouldn't impact other people who don't donate. Also, please don't get cocky, it just makes me cringe kinda :/I wasnt
um, I worked on this damn hard, and "I" am getting fuck all from this donation process, and stuffy said the same
So take your words and kindly...
Double Post Merge: September 05, 2015, 12:50:14 am
I wasnt
grow up
(http://i.imgur.com/U3ywJJF.png)lol ok, so i try to explain that im not talking to you with my comments, because you keep responding as if i am
"and im not talking about "you" specifically, please "try" to see that"
"I wasnt
grow up"
Not bias at all...How ironic from you. ::)
lol ok, so i try to explain that im not talking to you with my comments, because you keep responding as if i am
thats being "cocky"
whatever man
(http://www.toxicards.com/data/cards/you-haven-t-truly-won-an-argument-until-the-other-person-says-whatever-232.png)dude just do one
dude just do one
Just tried to say to you i WASNT trying to point you out, or offend you
youve promptly been an ass too with petty misunderstood comments and childish little memes
shocker
Double Post Merge: September 05, 2015, 01:01:18 am
fine jammy, ill just delete your BS, how about that
WTF is this topic now? Might as well just lock it, people can't have a civilised debate over something without a fucking mess of shit slinging and bullshit, sums up this 'community' in a nutshell.
Resulted to removing my posts so you don't get triggered, Wont be surprised if this gets taken down. Noiccee
Just lock the topic already. ::)
(https://i.imgflip.com/qlcst.jpg)Case in point. ::)
Everything was discussed in the first few pages pretty much, if you had a 'bullshit filter' this thread would probably be about 3-4 pages long. ::) But I know you're probably enjoying all the fighting because you're just like that.
Just lock the topic already. ::)
(https://i.imgflip.com/qlcst.jpg)
Case in point. ::)
It's just become a mess of spam and ranting because this community is mostly a bunch of kids incapable of discussing anything in a diplomatic way and it ALWAYS results in a multitude of arguments and shit stirring. Truly pathetic.
And how can you 'argue' with people who have anything to say? Read the replies MAK :facepalm2: You think it's worthwhile to keep this thread open?
Everything was discussed in the first few pages pretty much, if you had a 'bullshit filter' this thread would probably be about 3-4 pages long. ::) But I know you're probably enjoying all the fighting because you're just like that.
Current number of posts 370(at the time of this post). %80 Useless, recycled, and hateful comments. %5 Bug and error posts. %10 Good, constructive, well thought out comments. %5 other. Judging by these percentages the thread has gone from contoversy to nerd rage. this topic shouldv'e been closed long ago.This post has derailed way too far... What was ment to be a topic to talk about the map, ask things about the map to stevie etc. turned out completely the wrong way. Instead, this 25 page topic became a complete rant at steviewonder. 25 pages of complete BS being posted.