and even if you do, you write in in such a prickish way, it comes across that way regardless

He helped me with scripts, helped me with computer problems, helped me with many things on here than you wouldn't have. He also didn't say it in a prickish way. Also, all arguments that are between you two are started by you Harry. You always say to DD, all you do is criticize. All you do is complain and bam that starts a whole argument again. It would be great if these would stop so we can all just enjoy this community and stop kicking other people out, making them not feel welcome. mods are supposed to make people feel welcome i thought but this is my last message here. I'm out

Not everyone plays on a potato Alex...

Even if i could play it properly i wouldnt buy it, its got nothing on maps like Requiem and Leviathan

Can't we just put a "Donate" button under the person's profile for those who want to help support him/her and leave it at that?

If people were releasing full maps they've created that they're already done with AND they were asking for donations, then I can see why people would be so pissed about it. But this is just a beta, so...

Can't we just put a "Donate" button under the person's profile for those who want to help support him/her and leave it at that?

If people were releasing full maps they've created that they're already done with AND they were asking for donations, then I can see why people would be so pissed about it. But this is just a beta, so...

Actually its really early access.

Some of the discussion was the difference between beta and early access.

Actually its really early access.

But didn't the original topic say it was a beta?

OK, let's settle this little debate (not the oil rig one, i've said enough)
Harry: Your a a Moderator bro, just calm your farm, your giving them ammunition to throw back at you, so just stop
Daedra Decent: I understand you know a lot about the legal side of things, but please, can we just stop constantly saying that 'this shits illegal', although you might be right, Activision probably doesn't even care, because, if they did indeed care, why haven't people like TOM-BMX been arrested for selling assets.
GerardS0405: If you don't care, as harry stated, why are you here? Are you trying to piss off a Site Mod for kicks?
Anyway, enough has been said, and I hope that you guys settle your argument either over skype or PM
With kind regards,
JiffyNoodles

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Even if i could play it properly i wouldnt buy it, its got nothing on maps like Requiem and Leviathan

why? because no Ray-Gun Mark 2?

For anybody wondering at the time of this post there's a total of 323 posts. I think this thread has gone on long enough and should be swiftly closed. most all of the comment posted are just endless arguments that are not against the problem at hand, but against other mappers. This post has quickly deteriorated from a discussion about the map controversy, into a slagging ring to vent anger. If it is left up more useless arguments will continue to form. If you wish to continue your arguments take them to a general topic and debate to your hearts content. SIGN ELYKSON343

There has been probably enough discussion. The objections have already been put forward and re-put forward. Some have been refuted, others have been considered.

Daedra Decent: I understand you know a lot about the legal side of things, but please, can we just stop constantly saying that 'this shits illegal', although you might be right, Activision probably doesn't even care, because, if they did indeed care, why haven't people like TOM-BMX been arrested for selling assets.

I don't. I just think that developers and publisher's property should be respected and any agreements put forth by them should also be upheld at all times. Thats the way it is in other modding communities and i don't see why it shouldn't be the same in this one.

Harry: Your a a Moderator bro, just calm your farm, your giving them ammunition to throw back at you, so just stop

can say what they like, i really dont care

Im nothing but helpful around here, regardless of what gerard says, to start with hes using a list of my stuff as it is.

Then there is literally a list of other maps with my name in credits for "helping" or for "giving" my features to them. Fuck i spent 12 hours on teamspeak setting up the mod tools on some italian guys pc ffs...

When I "had an opinion" that people shouldnt tamper with other peoples mods, it also got flamed for "having an opinion" which is the very thing this is. Funny how it never seems to go both ways when a site mod is involved so i really couldnt care less anymore

The people "threatening" ugx overthis have "proved" that they dont give 2 fks about this community in my "opinion" as it is

can say what they like, i really dont care

Im nothing but helpful around here, regardless of what gerard says, to start with hes using a list of my stuff as it is.

Then there is literally a list of other maps with my name in credits for "helping" or for "giving" my features to them. Fuck i spent 12 hours on teamspeak setting up the mod tools on some italian guys pc ffs...

When I "had an opinion" that people shouldnt tamper with other peoples mods, it also got flamed for "having an opinion" which is the very thing this is. Funny how it never seems to go both ways when a site mod is involved so i really couldnt care less anymore

The people "threatening" ugx overthis have "proved" that they dont give 2 fks about this community in my "opinion" as it is

I'm sorry but I was just saying that you've never helped me specifically. DD has. I know you have helped other people and I'm just saying me specifically you haven't. I'm sorry about all this now, people can get back on topic. This is resolved hopefully.

I'm sorry but I was just saying that you've never helped me specifically. DD has. I know you have helped other people and I'm just saying me specifically you haven't. I'm sorry about all this now, people can get back on topic. This is resolved hopefully.

I suggest you just stop

Half the reason i fixed the perks and craftables was cause YOU were the one reporting issues

I suggest you just stop

Half the reason i fixed the perks was cause YOU were the one reporting issues

Yea I was testing it. Helping you. and I just said I was just going to stop.

WTF is this topic now? Might as well just lock it, people can't have a civilised debate over something without a fucking mess of shit slinging and bullshit, sums up this 'community' in a nutshell. Gerard you just said you have no interest in the map so go away then, why are you posting? Just for some attention? Trying to get involved and see if there are any bandwagons to be jumped on?

And DD your opinions are almost universally derided and ridiculed, safe to say no-one cares what you think about anything.

People just want something for nothing. They have no comprehension of the work required to make maps on this scale. It just takes so long, maps like this, Leviathan, Herrenhaus, etc. are just one offs, the mappers/modders just simply don't have the time or motivation to spend that much time on something for absolutely nothing in return. I know for sure I will never make a map this large and ambitious again, I know the Leviathan team feel the same, most of the talented people make 1 or 2 maps and just move on. It's just way too time-consuming and isn't worth it.

No one forces the mappers to make big maps like leviathan, the mapper could just stop anytime if the mapper thought it wasn't worth it, they choose that themselves obviously. Otherwise they would never ever even start on a big map like that if they really thought it was not worth the time to make it.