Next time then ask it in a more valid way than posting some throw away comment with a  at the end of it.

Yeah probably wasn't a smart thing to put. Just thought the idea was a little absurd(but still possible).

I explained above the purpose of the section but to answer your question, no we would not approve replies but would just moderate the replies as usual. If people post abusive responses they will be met with a warning.

That sounds great and all but at what point do you draw the line of whats abusive or not? Some may say that non constructive criticism is abusive while others(such as myself) say that it isn't.

It's common sense at the end of the day and if people are too stupid to understand then they deserve to be banned. This is a forum where people are supposed to share their maps, ideas, advice and criticisms without name calling, back stabbing or general bullying. People should not be asking us to delete their WIP threads because they are ashamed of their work, yet here we are... 3 mappers with deleted WIP threads in the last few weeks because they were humiliated.

While that does sound pretty damn sad that they had to delete their WIP topics, i have to ask what was actually said that was so abusive. People these days have a tendency to cry "Abuse!" whenever they are negatively criticized even a little bit when they just can't take criticism or understand what it is.

It's still a WIP idea that we need to put thought into. There is issues we would need to overcome or work on but the idea is to have a section where people can post their work without having users abuse them because they feel the map is too basic, small or just have an ego problem and feel they need to mock those less talented.

i dissagree with the ego part, it is ok for someone to have an opinion on someone who spent 1 hour making a map
as oppose to those who spend months

That sounds great and all but at what point do you draw the line of whats abusive or not? Some may say that non constructive criticism is abusive while others(such as myself) say that it isn't.

Well we understand that some new members may take genuine constructive criticism to heart and that is not the person who comments fault so anything that can be construed as geniunely constructive will be allowed. We are basically meaning we don't want to see memes, GIF's or people posting other peoples common comments with the sole design to take the piss out of said users. Comments like "You map is complete shit" will be met with a warning.

We are simply trying to make new mappers feel more comfortable with the idea of posting their work here while it also lets regular users/mappers know that these people are new so as not to expect much from their first map(s).

i dissagree with the ego part, it is ok for someone to have an opinion on someone who spent 1 hour making a map
as oppose to those who spend months

As long as the opinion is constructive then that is fine. The ego part is simply because there is several people on this forum/scene who think they are better than everyone else and they get a bit egotistical over it.

Even if someone only takes an hour to map something, it is the communities job to advise them on how to improve, not to tell them they suck or to kill themselves which has been the case on here before.

Where exactly will you draw the line on "new mappers" and more experienced mappers. You say first, second,  or third maps, but not all maps are created equal. For instance, I've been working on my first map for over a year (which I am not proud of lol) and I would consider it to be at a quality slightly higher than most "first maps ". (not trying to be conceded, I've just really spent a lot of time on it to make it good.) Would the map maker be able to decide if they go in the "new mapper" section or would it be determined by mods/admins? Same goes for stevies map (Wich I believe is his first) which will obviously be at professional standard. That certainly doesn't belong in the new mappers section .

I think it's a good idea, just needs to me implimented properly.

Where exactly will you draw the line on "new mappers" and more experienced mappers. You say first, second,  or third maps, but not all maps are created equal. For instance, I've been working on my first map for over a year (which I am not proud of lol) and I would consider it to be at a quality slightly higher than most "first maps ". (not trying to be conceded, I've just really spent a lot of time on it to make it good.) Would the map maker be able to decide if they go in the "new mapper" section or would it be determined by mods/admins? Same goes for stevies map (Wich I believe is his first) which will obviously be at professional standard. That certainly doesn't belong in the new mappers section .

I think it's a good idea, just needs to me implimented properly.

My map won't be in the 'new mapper' section I can assure you I think it's a great idea, and I believe I was the one who initially requested it wasn't I?

Where exactly will you draw the line on "new mappers" and more experienced mappers.

Well the whole point of the section would be for new, inexperienced mappers to post their work whether it's their first, second, third or tenth map without fear of belittlement or insults. If a mapper has worked a long time on their map and it looks pretty good then they are obviously experienced and do not need to submit maps into this new section. Even if it's their first map.

The 'New' part is meant for inexperienced is all. This way when people look in this section they will expect to only find basic and/or under detailed maps which could also have perk and weapon issues.

Well the whole point of the section would be for new, inexperienced mappers to post their work whether it's their first, second, third or tenth map without fear of belittlement or insults. If a mapper has worked a long time on their map and it looks pretty good then they are obviously experienced and do not need to submit maps into this new section. Even if it's their first map.

The 'New' part is meant for inexperienced is all. This way when people look in this section they will expect to only find basic and/or under detailed maps which could also have perk and weapon issues.

Alright thanks for the clarification.

The 3 strike system doesn't sound bad (should at least get rid of the offensive people) but in my opinion, 100 times "looks good" and "you should add this..." posts are also kinda awful to read, so i don't know where to draw the line there.

As for updates from the OP, is there a way that the OP can highlight his posts like it is done with solution at the help section?

As for myself i kinda like to read these spicy comments , and they are everywhere spread on the internet, every forum is like that and facebook and youtube is far worse than here, people have too many guts when they are behind their computer. But i understand it is a problem that bothers the OP and the kind people who are highly active here.

Unfortunately it's a problem that will never leave, but can be reduced ^^

And maybe stuff like the OP being able to close only his thread could help if it troubles the OP? Just trying to find a solution

I see why this is an issue.
I myself, am guilty of causing topic's to go careering off-topic by picking on people's spelling (like Killingerk for example) and I have done this many a time. I myself also get frustrated when someone's talking bulk shit about something completely irrelevant to the topic (call me a hypocrite).
The point of the matter is, I agree with this completely, so well said Shotgun, and to the moderators who promise to keep the shit out of the threads, good luck, and i'll try not to get myself into trouble
thanks for the topic, and I'll be sure to be back sooner or later to read comments
with regards,
Jiffy

I honestly think people need to learn what Constructive Criticism is, to many people give to much negative shit. But I still think what is going to happen is really good idea. Also, if it is your first map do you have to put it in the new mappers section?

EDIT: Just realised that my question was already answered 

I completely agree with this. as i am a new mapper and i haven't released a map yet i was hesitant to make a work in progress thread because of people making stupid remarks. I have been adding my updates into the original post but i never thought of putting and update to the subject i'll have to remember that for later posts.

I completely agree with this. as i am a new mapper and i haven't released a map yet i was hesitant to make a work in progress thread because of people making stupid remarks.

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I have been adding my updates into the original post but i never thought of putting and update to the subject i'll have to remember that for later posts.

That is just Bwc, he is like that to everyone.

Where exactly will you draw the line on "new mappers" and more experienced mappers. You say first, second,  or third maps, but not all maps are created equal. For instance, I've been working on my first map for over a year (which I am not proud of lol) and I would consider it to be at a quality slightly higher than most "first maps ". (not trying to be conceded, I've just really spent a lot of time on it to make it good.) Would the map maker be able to decide if they go in the "new mapper" section or would it be determined by mods/admins? Same goes for stevies map (Wich I believe is his first) which will obviously be at professional standard. That certainly doesn't belong in the new mappers section .

I think it's a good idea, just needs to me implimented properly.

I think some are looking at this in the wrong light

Yes its a decision, is this comment acceptable? Is it not?

But thats for the mods and site owners to decide, not the users. The users are expected to follow the guidelines provided

Im not saying that other peoples input on this matter isnt welcome. But If we put "but I think" on every post we moderate, there will always be at least "one" person who opposes the decision made

The point here is to create a safe haven for the new mappers, If comments are deemed harsh they will be removed and a warning given. I think thats completely fair, otherwise its a constant democracy that gets us nowhere

If your told what you said was too harsh, the solution is clear - write it again, but this time in a manner we "will" see as constructive and not dismissive. Or dont repost

As for the constant derailment, I think nearly all of us have fallen into this fly trap lately, and I completely agree that we need a area of focus on this, but we also need to be respectful. Some people seem to speak their mind, then when someone says "i take offense at that" - rather than just say "sorry, no offence intended" - instead it turns into bashing that person for "feeling offended"

a feeling is just that, if you "feel" offended, the "normal" thing to do is not to further that, just because you dont "think" they should be annoyed or offended. Ive seen both sides of this arguments, and I think its time all that goes behind us, locked in a deep dark cupboard

As for the "new mapper" section. Of course we would not condemn a long time member who we know has been around and active for a lengthy period of time to a "new" mappers group lol, its for those of us without that back log of forum time, who may be more sensitive to the harsher words some people share ( and lets be fair, there are "certain" people who go into maps just to find something they can rip on and absolutely NEVER say anything even remotely helpful )

Imagine its the "safe from hate and monitored ruthlessly" section

Moving forward, if we all do our part with this, I think we can bring this back to the happy place its always been, its all about zombies at the end of the day people 

I think some are looking at this in the wrong light

Yes its a decision, is this comment acceptable? Is it not?

But thats for the mods and site owners to decide, not the users. The users are expected to follow the guidelines provided

Im not saying that other peoples input on this matter isnt welcome. But If we put "but I think" on every post we moderate, there will always be at least "one" person who opposes the decision made

The point here is to create a safe haven for the new mappers, If comments are deemed harsh they will be removed and a warning given. I think thats completely fair, otherwise its a constant democracy that gets us nowhere

If your told what you said was too harsh, the solution is clear - write it again, but this time in a manner we "will" see as constructive and not dismissive. Or dont repost

As for the constant derailment, I think nearly all of us have fallen into this fly trap lately, and I completely agree that we need a area of focus on this, but we also need to be respectful. Some people seem to speak their mind, then when someone says "i take offense at that" - rather than just say "sorry, no offence intended" - instead it turns into bashing that person for "feeling offended"

a feeling is just that, if you "feel" offended, the "normal" thing to do is not to further that, just because you dont "think" they should be annoyed or offended. Ive seen both sides of this arguments, and I think its time all that goes behind us, locked in a deep dark cupboard

As for the "new mapper" section. Of course we would not condemn a long time member who we know has been around and active for a lengthy period of time to a "new" mappers group lol, its for those of us without that back log of forum time, who may be more sensitive to the harsher words some people share ( and lets be fair, there are "certain" people who go into maps just to find something they can rip on and absolutely NEVER say anything even remotely helpful )

Imagine its the "safe from hate and monitored ruthlessly" section

Moving forward, if we all do our part with this, I think we can bring this back to the happy place its always been, its all about zombies at the end of the day people 

well said +1