! No longer available

I'm looking forward to when the creator finally releases the tools he's made (check the video description on YouTube).

xd delete me

interesting...

however i forsee two draw backs

1 - blackops 3 tools will prob be out, and in a much more useable sense before this

2 - Its very much illegal, and offline only ( which is also why tom refused to make these tools previously. He said that Activision server checks will prevent co-op no matter what, bar some ridonkulous method of setting up some kind of private server, which would involve any user editing their install, disabling the online functionality permenantly, bar reinstalling )

This looks pretty cool if BO3 mod tools get pulled at least we have a somewhat fall back...

This looks pretty cool if BO3 mod tools get pulled at least we have a somewhat fall back...

No we dont, because its solo only, and illegal

and as you can see, the BSP and lighting is not even calculated correctly

Its great in theory, but will take i would speculate over a year for him to perfect a compiler, and doubtfull it even supports any map editor, he prob "manually created" a map file for that in a notepad or some other method

lets not jump the gun there, odds are, if he releases it, hell get a C&D because its completely circumventing what treyarch "allow" us to mod on BO1 - so its a breach of copyright and the EULA

No we dont, because its solo only, and illegal

and as you can see, the BSP and lighting is not even calculated correctly

Its great in theory, but will take i would speculate over a year for him to perfect a compiler, and doubtfull it even supports any map editor, he prob "manually created" a map file for that in a notepad or some other method

lets not jump the gun there, odds are, if he releases it, hell get a C&D because its completely circumventing what treyarch "allow" us to mod on BO1 - so its a breach of copyright and the EULA

True sadly.

No we dont, because its solo only, and illegal

and as you can see, the BSP and lighting is not even calculated correctly

Its great in theory, but will take i would speculate over a year for him to perfect a compiler, and doubtfull it even supports any map editor, he prob "manually created" a map file for that in a notepad or some other method

lets not jump the gun there, odds are, if he releases it, hell get a C&D because its completely circumventing what treyarch "allow" us to mod on BO1 - so its a breach of copyright and the EULA

Do any of us actually follow that little EULA  or care if we get sued  , I sure as hell don't care if I do.

Someone acutally made a thread about se2devs tools... sad... the tools will be released, because he completely rewritten the codes so its his not treyarchs.

Someone acutally made a thread about se2devs tools... sad... the tools will be released, because he completely rewritten the codes so its his not treyarchs.

which "is" the illegal part

Reverse engineering is illegal

using this and ditributing it on the internet - is also illegal

and using any treyarch assets in it - are also illegal - because it falls out of the EULA

he hasnt "rewritten" anything, hes trying to replicate the BO1 compiler. Otherwise it will not work at all anyway. This is intellectual property rights of activision



even if he rewrote the entire engine (which he hasnt) it would still be illegal to use the assets - or copy anything of treyarchs that is under current copyright


not to knock his skills however, what hes done so far is monsterously hard. But still incredibly illegal

which "is" the illegal part

Reverse engineering is illegal

using this and ditributing it on the internet - is also illegal

and using any treyarch assets in it - are also illegal - because it falls out of the EULA

he hasnt "rewritten" anything, hes trying to replicate the BO1 compiler. Otherwise it will not work at all anyway. This is intellectual property rights of activision



even if he rewrote the entire engine (which he hasnt) it would still be illegal to use the assets - or copy anything of treyarchs that is under current copyright


not to knock his skills however, what hes done so far is monsterously hard. But still incredibly illegal

Actually, this is done via DLL injections, the tools themselves aren't modified in anyway and are the same EXEs as WaW mod tools.
I wouldn't really call that illegal, what SE2Dev has done. Also, replicating IS NOT the same as directly copying. He technically didn't steal anything from ATVI in order to make that.

Actually, this is done via DLL injections, the tools themselves aren't modified in anyway and are the same EXEs as WaW mod tools.
I wouldn't really call that illegal, what SE2Dev has done. Also, replicating IS NOT the same as directly copying. He technically didn't steal anything from ATVI in order to make that.

hes reverse engineered the compiler. It is a illegal activity

can quote that "for learning and development" thing to get away with that - but not if you distribute it on the internet


begs the question tho, if this guy can do it, why didnt treyarch just give it to us anyway? silly acti

hes reverse engineered the compiler. It is a illegal activity

How can you reverse engineer something that is not public?

How can you reverse engineer something that is not public?

by illegally getting into its compiler code and/or looking through a compiled file and "reverse engineering" its data structure and properties with things like hex editors and other programs designed purely for extracting data from processes

if it "was" public, then it would "not" be illegal. However treyarch never released the compiler or the data structure for compiled "map files" it "creates" "publically", so it isnt public, which means hes used illegal methods to do it. Which is fine for "your own learning and development" but not if you share it

by illegally getting into its compiler with things like hex editors and other programs designed purely for extracting data from processes

But the compiler was NEVER included in BO1, nor it's mod tools. Your argument is still invalid.

the game runs doesnt it?

so hes "reverse engineered the game" to "find out how the compiler works or what it needs in order - to - work" with the black ops 1 engine

hes then "used the information he obtained by reverse engineering" to "create" his own version of a compiler that will compile a map file in a way Black ops 1 can read ( so "identical or at least readable" by Black ops 1s engine ). He did not guess or work this out - he couldnt have. He would "need" to inspect the data structures etc

hence reverse engineering

People have always explored and modified the technologies in their lives, whether crystal radios, automobiles, or computer software. Reverse engineering is one expression of this tinkering impulse. Unfortunately, legal regulation of reverse engineering can impact the Freedom to Tinker in a variety of ways. This FAQ gives some information that may help coders reduce their legal risk.

https://www.eff.org/issues/coders/reverse-engineering-faq

If your access to the code or computer system you are studying is conditioned upon agreeing to any contractual terms (e.g. End User License Agreements (EULA), terms of service notices (TOS), terms of use notices (TOU), a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), developers agreement or API agreement), you are at greater legal risk if your research activities do not comply with their stated terms and conditions. You should talk to a lawyer before agreeing to any terms and before studying any software distributed with such terms and conditions, even if you have come into possession of that code without agreeing to anything.

It is highly risky to copy any code into a program you create as a result of reverse engineering, because that copy could infringe copyright unless it is a fair use under copyright law. Note that copying can include both imitation of non-functional elements as well as verbatim duplication.

In Sega Enterprises v. Accolade,1 the maker of a leading video game console (Sega Genesis) sued a video game publisher (Accolade) after the publisher reverse engineered the console in order to make compatible games.

Sony Computer Entertainment v. Connectix2 involved a software publisher (Connectix) that developed software known as the Virtual Game Station that emulated the Sony PlayStation game console on Macintosh and Windows computers. Development of the Virtual Game Station required reverse engineering efforts that included extracting the BIOS of a PlayStation console and observing it in a debugger, as well as disassembling the BIOS object code.

Blizzard v. BnetD5: BnetD was an open source program that let gamers play popular Blizzard titles like World of Warcraft on servers other than Blizzard's Battle.net service, thereby offering players more options. BnetD programmers agreed to Blizzard’s EULA and Battle.net’s TOU before reverse engineering the game to create BnetD. The EULA and TOU expressly prohibited reverse engineering and hosting of Blizzard games on other servers.

Like copyright infringement, misappropriation of trade secrets can be both a civil and criminal offense.