yeah its separate from UGX

want to use skype to fix the problem?

I know what Trem will say that they'll have "standards" for what maps can and can't have the paywall, but then people will be rushing their damn maps just for money and those "standards" will go out then window if times get hard. Hell, less care will even go into maps because it's all about the money. It will then lead to no one wanting to play zombies because someone put the Great Paywall of UGX in front of them.

this is ridiculous because no one is going to pay for a map that they don't believe is worth the price. this is just a slope argument really.

The paywall is incentive for people to actually contribute to the mapper instead of just taking the map for free and never coming back to make any sort of contribution.

So what your saying is that people who 'donate' are incentivised to report issues because they invested their money into the mod/map? Or am i totally interpreting that wrong?

no, we know this already and you've already stated it a handful of times.

I don't think everyone has seen my position on it. If you really its not needed i guess i'll just drop it though.

So what your saying is that people who 'donate' are incentivised to report issues because they invested their money into the mod/map? Or am i totally interpreting that wrong?

No, thats not at all what I was saying. I'm saying the payment is unrelated to people reporting bugs. It's about compensating the mapper in a way that people will actually do rather than completely ignore. The fact that its only for a beta means that anyone who doesn't want to compensate the mapper in this way can just patiently wait.

With all the controversy with this I don't think it will ever happen again, and honestly if it becomes a norm it will be a god damn shame, a once free community going to shit so the mapper who spends his optional free time can make a quick buck. It's such a shitty thing that this was even allowed, you can't expect people to pay for a map without 75% of everyone getting upset as it is illeagle and shouldn't be done. If it doesn't release within a month or less he's just milking it. It doesn't take long to fix errors

sorry guys, this is just wrong

With all the controversy with this I don't think it will ever happen again, and honestly if it becomes a norm it will be a god damn shame, a once free community going to shit so the mapper who spends his optional free time can make a quick buck. It's such a shitty thing that this was even allowed, you can't expect people to pay for a map without 75% of everyone getting upset as it is illeagle and shouldn't be done. If it doesn't release within a month or less he's just milking it. It doesn't take long to fix errors

sorry guys, this is just wrong

It doesn't?

as it is illegal

sorry guys, this is just wrong

that's just the thing its not technically illegal. they are not selling the map itself. It's like this you donate 4 Dollars and get a free pass to play the map early. this is done everywhere more than you know. buy 5 of these and get a chance to win this. since they are not directly selling the map but are asking for a donation with a free map attached too it, its not illegal. the same thing is done all the time. buy this dvd and get a chance to win this. preorder this and get early access to this. its completely legal.

its completely legal.

So you understand the law fully and know 100% this is legal?

It doesn't?

More than a month? Personally don't think it does. May take a bit to get together a good COOP team but i still think testing a map could be done in under a month.

More than a month? Personally don't think it does. May take a bit to get together a good COOP team but i still think testing a map could be done in under a month.

I thought you were one for having the cleanest, bug-free maps DD? Such a blasé attitude towards bugs, I have to say I'm shocked Deadra, I really am.

So you understand the law fully and know 100% this is legal?

not completely but in this case i believe what they are doing is fine. its a bit of a loophole but to be honest, is it really that bad.

If you want you can read this. https://www.activision.com/legal/terms-of-use

if you find something that i missed or you interpreted it differently post the clause and we can debate that in another topic. but i beilieve what they are doing is legal.

I have read through every post on this thread and I see the point from both sides. I am leaning towards the not-paid beta argument myself. But I see that some mappers should be more rewarded for their quality work. I dont like the idea that you have to "donate" to get access to one map. With Requiem I did not mind it as much as you were donating to the site first and foremost (although I did not donate myself). With the donator title you had access to the map true, but you also had access to many other stuff. But first you were donating to keep the site alive. Donating shows support and you are more likely to obtain more balanced opinions of the map and people who actually do want the map released playing the map early and helping out with its last stages of development. This is similar to why Treyarch made the BO3 beta for Pre-ordered copies of the game (at first anyway).

With this new idea, many other issues can come in as talked about before in this thread which would have to be thought through.

I thought you were one for having the cleanest, bug-free maps DD?

I am. I think you can release an extremely bug free map as long as you use good scripting(coding?) practices(is that even the right term?), such as not doing if condition checks when using variables that don't exist and/or returning functions when something, such as an entity, doesn't have a certain KVP or isn't valid in some other way.

 

It doesn't?

Have you not been fixing bugs for a long time? Dont be low and hold the map under paid beta, release it asap and ignore the greed in the back of your head

not completely but in this case i believe what they are doing is fine. its a bit of a loophole but to be honest, is it really that bad.

Yes, taking assets that weren't even intended on being as accessible as they are now, using them in a map, and profiting off it is 100% ok, once again I am neutral on the subject, but please have some logic before coming out with this.