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So as we know mod tools haven't been around since the Black Ops 1 days and those aren't even officially out they are still in "Beta  " but the reason people say they won't be released for any other COD games is because "then they can't sell DLC" but honestly COD never really does good on PC ever since MW2 wouldn't including the mod tools make people more interested in buying the game for customization? 

Look at COD 4 and WAW they are still popular on the PC platform due to mods. I know I'm probably beating a dead horse and being stupid hoping that maybe modding will come back to COD since I'm getting bored of the WAW engine and I'm sure others feel the same way since the limits and errors have been plaguing mappers for a while now which is why a lot of maps have been probably abandoned or cancelled and they don't want to deal with those errors anymore so they switch to a new map.

Id say you made your own point there

They know we will keep using COD 5 if its all thats properly available, increasing the life of COD5 at no extra cost or effort, and still leaving the power of the later engines solely in their "court" so to speak

Treyarch: Lets give BO1 mod tools! *BO3 sales go down tremendously* lol

Explain to me what's the point in buying DLC Map Packs when the community has made maps? There's your lost profits, even with the life span in mind, they will still be loosing quite a chunk of money from Mods.

As for the latter: What if someone decided to use their own assets?

You release the tools when the game's life cycle is effectively dead duh. We're not asking for BO3 mod tools here, this is BO1, Black Ops fucking 1. It came out 5 years ago, pretty sure BO1 DLC packs aren't exactly flying off the shelves here (ironically the only people still buying them are modders).

They won't release it because they simply don't give a shit enough to make tools. It takes time and money to make a Mod Tools, some developers have to sit there and convert their tools into some 'lite' version we can all use, then make patches and fix shit, bla bla. Why would they bother when they can make a nice shiny bacon camo or w/e and make 100x the money for 100x less effort?

Now go back to what Hitman said when they release BO1 Radiant. 

Now go back to my response about what Hitman said when they release BO1 Radiant

You made no real response to his other than a emoticon. And looking at your response, it's essentially the same as mine, they won't release Mod tools because of money and they want to make you buy shiney camo and gun.

You made no real response to his other than a emoticon. And looking at your response, it's essentially the same as mine, they won't release Mod tools because of money and they want to make you buy shiney camo and gun.

No you said they won't release it because they would lose out on DLC money. Tell me who is buying BO1 DLC in 2015???

And the emote represented the phrase 'yeh right'. Because if Treyarch released BO1 mod tools tomorrow it would impact BO3 sales as much as you farting impacts the hole in the o-zone layer.

It impacts sales enough for them to care, we're talking about Treyarch/Activision here, a company, like I said earlier, has turned a retail game into a F2P/P2W only without the F2P part.

The reason they don't release BO1 mod tools is NOT because of BO3 sales 

So tell me what is the reason? If they released proper BO1 Mod Tools (Radiant, Proper Zombie's Modding) today I can assure you I would take a miss on Black Ops 3, and there's probably a lot of other people who think the same.

Yeh loads of people. I'm sure when they released the BO1 Mod Tools 'Beta' they were already thinking, 'we better not release the full version just in case this affects our BO3 sales in 5 years time' 

It would not surprise me if that's how they think. As developers for the company, they must think of ways to make more money, and if not releasing Mod Tools means making more sales on later titles, then it would not surprise me if that's what they done.

They don't give a fuck about us as long as they make an extra dollar on Black Ops 3, Advanced Warfare or what ever their next title is.

This is Activision we're talking about, not a modding friendly company like Valve, they want to distance themselves so much from modding so that people will buy the next game.