Hey Everyone,

Hope you're all doing well.

I know that many of you reading this already have your fingers on the keyboard ready to get your hate on, based on what we're doing on YouAlwaysWin, and especially after reading many posts and watching videos of people hating.

It has always been our position that we do not respond to haters, but it appears that there is quite a bit of misunderstanding going on and I really would prefer that it calm down or at least try to explain our side of the story before you form your opinions.

Firstly, we still enjoy playing the maps that this community creates, and always try to remember to provide a link to the map on this website. When we forget to do so, I have asked the staff at UGX to DM me on Twitter so that I can correct the issue immediately. It is never done intentionally to hurt any of you here. 

In terms of the custom maps that we have made for our exclusive use, we have our reasons for not uploading them here and making them available to the public. You need to understand that we have absolutely no problem with ANY of you playing them, but we have hired staff, part of the YAW team, that make them for us. We had to hire them as employees to avoid violating Activision's TOS as you cannot pay a third-party to make maps for you.

That being said, our issue with releasing them was that we didn't feel it was fair for YouTubers to play our maps and make money on something that we spent our OWN money creating. It was never meant to punish our viewers, subs, or other zombie players that just wanted to play the maps for fun.

In addition, we also realized that we lost the point of Custom zombies and focused too much on themed based maps, rather than creating really fun and quality maps, like many of you do here. However, as many of you map makers know, creating a quality map takes a long time, weeks, sometimes months to create.

We wanted to try and bring something fresh and new to our subs every day, which is why there are so many small and low-quality maps. Our map makers simply didn't have enough time to put into creating really good maps. This was our mistake and we accept that. The themes obviously was done to try and stay relevant. We thought they'd be fun, but in actuality were looked at as being click-bait since some of them simply had pictures.

Shortly after we realized that many people were complaining about this,  and we completely understand why, we instructed our map makers to include more features and not simply put pictures in the map.  This helped a bit, but even now, still doesn't seem to be enough. 

We've heard people hate on us by saying "they're only doing this for views". I don't mean to be rude, but that is a very naive and childish mindset. Many people make videos on YouTube for fun or as a hobby, but there are also a huge growing number of YouTubers that make videos for a living or just to earn some extra cash.  I fail to understand why so many people have a problem with this. We are just like you, but were lucky enough to grow a large community and make a full-time career out of it.

This is how I put food in front of my kids and pay my bills.  I'm no millionaire, and never will be, but I love my job and hope to continue making videos for a living into the future. I've had "real" jobs, likely more than the haters running their mouths. Served 3 years reg. force in the Air Force,  and 13 years as a Casualty Claims Specialist working for Insurance Companies and law firms. I've been there, done that, and I can tell you that being a full-time YouTuber takes a huge amount of work.

Despite doing this for over 7 years, I still lose sight of what's important and make mistakes. I acknowledge that we could have done this better, but here we are. Mistakes made, and I'm taking the time to explain and apologize to all of you here. If I didn't give a crap, as some will try to have to believe, I wouldn't have wasted my time writing this post. I hope that you can see that and understand.

Going forward, we have instructed our map makers today to start creating more traditional zombie maps and go away from theme based ones, not completely as we may still do a fun theme-based map once in a while, but we will be doing our best to make more traditional themed maps from now on.

We will also be releasing some of the older maps for all of you to play, which you may not want to since, well, they are box like and don't really offer much. We will however, make the new quality maps available to this community and provide a download link in our videos for the public to enjoy as well.

Again, we are sorry for what has happened and what we have done over the last year. We will be working hard to regain some of your respect in this community. 

Thank you for understanding,

Niels (aka GUNNS4HIRE)

Woah! First it's an Honor really to see you here.
Look, there's nothing wrong of seeking money, we had a couple of posts here of this "THIS IS CHILDISH FROM THEM" and the typical "I WANT A LINK TO THIS MAP" but don't let this put you down, Chris's life & yours are Yaw, and i fully understand that.
I got the idea of the new maps. To make the Yaw crew and the Viewers enjoy a little. Let me enlight you. Today i was watching the Shadow video, great skill & Gameplay. When i went down to the comments i saw you getting somewhat angry about people calling you camper. I mean I never played S&D ever in my life. But i know the rules, team push and team camp. Why ? To protect the bomb site you idiot!
Ok, if you go back in time you will see that you guys had more views right ? I mean i saw one of the old 1H Special and it had 500k. And your videos now is getting like 50-60k views. See ? You're having a trouble there right ?
Enough said, you guys are just great and amazing. Love you both as a true fan of Yaw. Hoping the best for you!

Ya, I get triggered quite easily, always been a fault of mine. I just don't like mean people, and when they attack me personally, I get defensive. This is also why we generally never read comments or respond. It's hard for me to focus on the good, when I constantly read hate. It gets to me. However, I am not doing my best to respond at least to a few viewers on all new videos, and also trying to be neutral or positive. Thanks for replying. I appreciate it.

Woah! First it's an Honor really to see you here.
Look, there's nothing wrong of seeking money, we had a couple of posts here of this "THIS IS CHILDISH FROM THEM" and the typical "I WANT A LINK TO THIS MAP" but don't let this put you down, Chris's life & yours are Yaw, and i fully understand that.
I got the idea of the new maps. To make the Yaw crew and the Viewers enjoy a little. Let me enlight you. Today i was watching the Shadow video, great skill & Gameplay. When i went down to the comments i saw you getting somewhat angry about people calling you camper. I mean I never played S&D ever in my life. But i know the rules, team push and team camp. Why ? To protect the bomb site you idiot!
Ok, if you go back in time you will see that you guys had more views right ? I mean i saw one of the old 1H Special and it had 500k. And your videos now is getting like 50-60k views. See ? You're having a trouble there right ?
Enough said, you guys are just great and amazing. Love you both as a true fan of Yaw.

Ok, now that was a very nice post, but most dont care that you need quick low quality maps to make a successful YouTube career, seeing as u cant get very far releasing one video a fortnight that lots of other people have already done, nor was it the exclusive maps, as u stated are mostly box maps, and run the now out dated UGX mod, it was your complete lack of support for the community you were making money off of that bothered us, failing to even credit the mapper or link the download in for the maps that were released, which is the absolute minimum you can do for the community

So if that's going to change then I will have no problem with you or your channel, though it would be nice to see you get a little more involved in the community, talk is some of the forums, discuss ideas with mappers/modders, anything that makes you a more valued member of the community.

Ok, now that was a very nice post, but most dont care that you need quick low quality maps to make a successful YouTube career, seeing as u cant get very far releasing one video a fortnight that lots of other people have already done, nor was it the exclusive maps, as u stated are mostly box maps, and run the now out dated UGX mod, it was your complete lack of support for the community you were making money off of that bothered us, failing to even credit the mapper or link the download in for the maps that were released, which is the absolute minimum you can do for the community

So if that's going to change then I will have no problem with you or your channel, though it would be nice to see you get a little more involved in the community, talk is some of the forums, discuss ideas with mappers/modders, anything that makes you a more valued member of the community.

I second this. However, i think the mapper should take ideas and develop his skills. Not the youtuber. I'm sure the yaw crew are already busy making videos. Thou I mean no offense mapper. Making box map doesn't make that good. We have more talented mappers/modders/scripters here ready to be hired.

I will admit that I am getting sick of the themed maps. They were okay at first then they lost their charm. I don't blame you guys for playing them though. As you said good maps take time, and they have been few and far in between. I would !ike to see you guys go back and play the older maps. I know a you've seen them before, but bacm then your overall strategy may have been different than it is now. Plus it'll give you another shot at trying out some of the maps' weapons. A few of those old maps had unique weapons and weapon upgrades. Like the Wunder Walther on Nazl Zombie Neighborhood.

Welp I think it's about time you boys play some Ragnarok.

I'm not really sure what you mean by failing to credit the mapper or link the download for the maps that were released. Any UGX map we played, we listed the link in the description. If you're referring to the Themed maps, I've already explained why we didn't release them. We don't credit our map makers for those maps anyway as they are owned by YAW, not the mapper. If you find any video of us playing a community map that we haven't listed the UGX map link, then by all means let me know on Twitter and we would rectify that immediately. So, other than any unintentional missing map links, I really don't understand why you say "complete lack of support". Not trying to start anything, just really don't know where that statement is coming from.

Ok, now that was a very nice post, but most dont care that you need quick low quality maps to make a successful YouTube career, seeing as u cant get very far releasing one video a fortnight that lots of other people have already done, nor was it the exclusive maps, as u stated are mostly box maps, and run the now out dated UGX mod, it was your complete lack of support for the community you were making money off of that bothered us, failing to even credit the mapper or link the download in for the maps that were released, which is the absolute minimum you can do for the community

So if that's going to change then I will have no problem with you or your channel, though it would be nice to see you get a little more involved in the community, talk is some of the forums, discuss ideas with mappers/modders, anything that makes you a more valued member of the community.

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We have a Tomb Raider map that we'll be playing soon, which will be released to the public. We personally think it is extremely unique and well-done. Again, we don't list the individual map makers name, as the maps are owned by YAW, and the identity of our map makers are private, unless THEY choose to make themselves known.

I will admit that I am getting sick of the themed maps. They were okay at first then they lost their charm. I don't blame you guys for playing them though. As you said good maps take time, and they have been few and far in between. I would !ike to see you guys go back and play the older maps. I know a you've seen them before, but bacm then your overall strategy may have been different than it is now. Plus it'll give you another shot at trying out some of the maps' weapons. A few of those old maps had unique weapons and weapon upgrades. Like the Wunder Walther on Nazl Zombie Neighborhood.

I'm not really sure what you mean by failing to credit the mapper or link the download for the maps that were released. Any UGX map we played, we listed the link in the description. If you're referring to the Themed maps, I've already explained why we didn't release them. We don't credit our map makers for those maps anyway as they are owned by YAW, not the mapper. If you find any video of us playing a community map that we haven't listed the UGX map link, then by all means let me know on Twitter and we would rectify that immediately. So, other than any unintentional missing map links, I really don't understand why you say "complete lack of support". Not trying to start anything, just really don't know where that statement is coming from.

Really I don't think giving credit to mappers is needed - a simple link to the map topic is all that is needed so that others can play the maps. And these guys always do that - everyone needs to chill out, why is every so but hurt all the time? Making maps is suppose to be about the end result, not about fame and money - we make these maps cuz we enjoy it and enjoy watching others like youalwayswin and other youtubers play them.

I'm not really sure what you mean by failing to credit the mapper or link the download for the maps that were released. Any UGX map we played, we listed the link in the description. If you're referring to the Themed maps, I've already explained why we didn't release them. We don't credit our map makers for those maps anyway as they are owned by YAW, not the mapper. If you find any video of us playing a community map that we haven't listed the UGX map link, then by all means let me know on Twitter and we would rectify that immediately. So, other than any unintentional missing map links, I really don't understand why you say "complete lack of support". Not trying to start anything, just really don't know where that statement is coming from.

well it would be nice to see u in the forums now and again(not necessarily this one), i.e. participate more, look at w.i.p's, i get that your a youtuber, but without the maps you wouldn't have any content to show, so maybe just be a bit more active so that we dont just see you as the members that log in to ugx download a map leave and then go make a bunch of money on it from a video and not return till its time for the next map, thats why i unsubbed months ago, though this is just my opinion, the contest you held was a great idea(expensive ik) but just shit like that, where you show that your not just making  money off a 1 hour video that a mapper spent moths(possibly years depending on the map) creating.

and there have been multiple instances where map has not been linked(not inclusing the ones that dont get released), i am not gonna go through all ur videos to find them, but back when i watched you i did notice a few, and it shouldn't be up to us to have to go through ur videos to make sure you are crediting us

Hi Gunns. I gotta say I'm (pleasantly) surprised you took the time to explain all this, it's greatly appreciated.

Because modders aren't paid, the credit in YouTube videos and other such places are pretty much the only recognition they get. But the kind of maps the modders appreciate aren't the same maps your viewers appreciate. Modders love to see the engine pushed to its limits, innovation and originality, creative flair. YouTube viewers are mostly drawn to videos because of the personalities behind them, i.e. yourself and Meaty, and occasionally the gimmick (e.g. "Game of Thrones Zombies" is guaranteed to get hundreds of thousands more views than an original name no-one's heard, or a generic name like "night of the dead"). So, even if the modders are credited, there is naturally going to be hostility from modders who spend months, sometimes years, on their passion project, only to see a low-effort four-walled box get the same response, if not fifty times as many views.

Personally, I think what you guys are doing is absolutely fine, even more so after your post clarifying things. I'm glad you've reached out to the community, that proves you care, which puts you miles ahead of many other youtubers. I don't think modders should be so pissed, I just understand why they are.

Thank you for taking the time to post this, I certainly appreciate it, I'm certain the community does too. 

I can understand now on why the maps aren't released for us and am glad that you GUNNS4HIRE have explained why. Very sorry for the hate that I have been giving you (though I still included you in my top 10 zombie youtubers video on my YouTube channel). I was just so triggered on not getting to play some of these maps - Stronghold zombies to be more clear as it was a deadly map, it was one of the more innovative maps you guys created as well as the fact that it's a remake of the BO3 multiplayer map? And I think the Wunderwaffe charging was a cool idea.  Anyway, very sorry for the hate I've been giving you and keep up with the channel, you are doing well (though I do be laughing out loud at your BO3 zombie map attempts 8, but since they're amusing to me, keep them up also).