I don't enjoy remakes, unless they actually bring something new.

But there has already been remakes of Der Riese, made here on the WaW community. Even BO1 remade it? So why is the Giant so much more popular? There has been new weapons to remakes, didn't hype it up. there has been more perks to remakes, didn't hype it up. So the only thing I see left is the Graphics and the flow of the zombies themselves, is this what makes The Giant so much better?

really?

show me one that isnt just a mod please...



we love this remake because it add A TON

how are you not getting that?

Firstly - an entire new fluid engine, which supports like 10x what the old one did...

Reskinned guns, new guns, extra perks, secret perks, completely remade map that is brimming with detail, new animations, new huds, new quality, a new special weapon that occupies a 3/4 slot

customization, double pack a punching, remade fly  trap easter egg, realism mod stuff, gobble gums, additional power ups...


etc etc etc


you literally have no argument and area clearly moaning despite not even having it - which i suspect is "why" your moaning 


Either that or we are playing that "blind to half of the paragraph" game again and sticking by our words - THIS MAP ADDS NOTHING

What you mean like :

gobble gum
A entire arsenal of weaponry
Realism mod aspects
A new easter egg
A unlockable easter egg gun
Extra perks that can be unlocked or obtained
Multiple pack a punching

He meant expanding upon the map, with different areas.

Guys, check out the dead ops arcade 2, it's so freaking cool.

He meant expanding upon the map, with different areas.

oh - so he wants a "different" map then?

It was never elluded to have extra, it is a "remake", in its "entirety"

Actually I thought of the reasons of why did treyarch redesign der reise, and I came up with 2 reasons. First, I think der reise was one of the best maps that had easily one of the best replayability. I will play der riese over and over 10 times I would play other maps, so yea. Another reason, is actually based on the plot. I think treyarch went back in story back to der reise, to give themselves an opportunity to combine/expand/remake other maps following der reise. This could be a good idea, as people will always play a replayable map, redesigned to be better, and also to come up with new plot twists.

oh - so he wants a "different" map then?

It was never elluded to have extra, it is a "remake", in its "entirety"

Nacht Der Untoten: Reimagined. A remake. With new areas.

I have had my go at The Giant, and yes, it is the same map, going by walls, floors and roofs.
The perks randomize? Is this just to add difficulty or to make the player not know where the perks are in their own respective locations from Der Riese?

really?

show me one that isnt just a mod please...



we love this remake because it add A TON

how are you not getting that?

Firstly - an entire new fluid engine, which supports like 10x what the old one did...

Reskinned guns, new guns, extra perks, secret perks, completely remade map that is brimming with detail, new animations, new huds, new quality, a new special weapon that occupies a 3/4 slot

customization, double pack a punching, remade fly  trap easter egg, realism mod stuff, gobble gums, additional power ups...


etc etc etc


you literally have no argument and area clearly moaning despite not even having it - which i suspect is "why" your moaning 


Either that or we are playing that "blind to half of the paragraph" game again and sticking by our words - THIS MAP ADDS NOTHING

Gobblegum? They don't really affect the gameplay too heavily, as most of them last such a short period of time.
Guns? The arsenal has been switched out with newer guns to fit both Bo3 and the storyline. Understandable.
New Animations? It looks visually nice, I agree.
New HUD? It's a sick HUD, I'd love to get my hands on a copy of it for WaW.
New Quality? Graphics are to me not what determines how good a game is.
The Fly Trap easter egg takes you back, but it's the same task? Find the items, shoot them. This time around you get a reward, which is nice.

All this is great, yes. I think it makes it both visually better to look at, and with new movement for both player AND zombies, it flows nice when you play it.

Multiple Pack-a-Punching? A bit unnecessary in my opinion, but that's that.

I've played this map. I think it's a decent map, but adding a new arsenal doesn't cut it for me. It looks different, sure. But I feel like I've walked these corridors before, I've bought these doors. I personally prefer a map that brings something NEW to the map itself. It is essentially the same as all these mods we got for Der Riese. ( Those that added new perks, guns etc.) Only that it looks visually better. I mean heck, the same strats are still the go-to for high rounds.

It's a remake. That does NOT mean they have to keep it confined into the same area as the original map. They can expand upon the arsenal, as could they have expanded the map itself.

I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't match yours, but it is what it is.
I think it's a decent map, but it feels old, even with a change of arsenal.
I personally prefer maps that bring new areas to explore, showing me new ways to path, and new strategies to use. I just couldn't get the nostalgia from back in the days when Der Riese was the big thing.

I respect all opinions, but for me it didn't quite make the cut for what I'd expect from Black Ops 3.

in otherwords

doesnt matter what they did you would still complain

you - dont like anything they added to shadows, or any reused content, or the giant - and wont even bat an eye lid at the other gamemodes

Treyarch - well we fu%^*& give up then




ProRevenge used a nacht "prefab" therefore "only" had to make new areas - and mostly used WAW assets for the mapping. Not "remake" the "entire" map, along with every asset "in" the map.... Massivly different. And artistic choice. These guys obviously decided this is how "the map der riese" is meant to be - they did design it in the first place after all


sounds to me like you just were not up for "this map"

doesnt matter what they did to it - at all

stuff they didnt do = bad, stuff they did do = bad



I fully expected it to be the same, but unlike what people are saying i wont be deluded enough to call it a "reskin"

Clearly the entire map has been rebuilt from the ground up, every single texture, fx, mod, gunmodel, light, perk - has been completely remade from scratch

The layout is the layout. Thats just how it is, granted new areas would have been nice - but then people will just complain they dont like them either

I expected the new guns - and again expected every one to complain



And bringing BO1 into the discussion is pointless. It was a complete port, not a remake. Even the wall weapons did not change

Just like kino, it was developed on WAW and ported to BO1, with no differences at all except for the box guns

Even the graphic engine was barely any different, and both ran on the SP engine


this is "completely" fresh, and something everyone keeps putting aside is - this is a way more powerful engine, there will be even greater stuff to come, just having a nice fluid game which is barely effected by ping should be enough to wet your tastes - and half the things everyone is saying "makes no difference" like the amazing new graphics, it does, oh it does. Even just the new beautiful fx is great. Then factor in the new texture stuff like real lighting, bloom lighting, heat mapping, envision mapping etc

read between the lines, they have given us about 90% of what we have been complaining we wanted

and anyone complaining about "reused" features....

You must hate CZs then as nearly everything is a "remade" treyarch asset until recently

Plus half these ideas? They were literally only ever used "once", whats wrong with using them again? Still using guns arent we? So 1999

Still using perks arent we? So 2005

Still using doors arent we? also very 2005

Still using people arent we? So 1000000BC




The game has run flawlessly for me since i first played it, even on multiscreen. And I for one am loving it

oh - so he wants a "different" map then?

It was never elluded to have extra, it is a "remake", in its "entirety"

Der Riese from BO1 was a remake of the original WaW one. So why should Treyarch bring us a SECOND remake? We don't need a second. What we need is to expand upon ideas and make the most of the new BO3 stuff such as wall jumping. I just think Treyarch could have done more, that's all.

i didn't add a link because I didn't see it necessary, I think people can find it themselves, and I'm not on my computer, so it difficults things. Takes longer to navigate,and is more difficult.


The graphics does matter, yes. But simply changing how it looks doesn't in MY opinion make it fresher, newer or a better experience. I like to play with good graphics, but it doesn't change my look at the game. there are still games with the worst of graphics that I prefer to this very day.

The weapons ARE nice, though alot of them feel quite similar to eachother. I like the weapons, but for the whole map, changing the weapons doesn't make it any better.

What they did was great. I like the new systems, gobblegum and whatnot. But using it to resell the map we already knew? Not great.

You have really gotten this wrong.
MY OPINION, is that I don't mind these features, I just feel they didn't change the map enough for me to find it as good as you...
SoE reuses alot of old ideas, but it also beings new ones. It is a good map, but I didn't like how some of the features felt recycled.

Everyone has their opinion. I don't work at Treyarch. They know better than me what to use and what not to use when creating a map. I'm only stating how I feel about the choices they made. Last time I checked this post is still for your own thoughts on the Bo3 Zombies, no?

Maybe you're right.
Maybe I am another one of these "whining kids". It seems the second you state your opinion, if it is negative, you get filled with responses from people claiming you are a stubborn brat that doesn't know what he/she is talking about? Let people share their opinions, please. I might seem "hard to satisfy" in your book, but the way I see it it's just another opinion on this game we all play.

Sorry for any misspelling, wrote on my phone.

Not bad really if that huge batch of text was done on a phone lol

Not bad really if that huge batch of text was done on a phone lol

Heh, cheers mate. It's not always easy in the life of a viking 

Heh, cheers mate. It's not always easy in the life of a viking 

I cant type anything on this site on my phone, super jumpy and laggy, before ultimately safari just crashes lol

chats even worse on my phone

Der Riese from BO1 was a remake of the original WaW one. So why should Treyarch bring us a SECOND remake? We don't need a second. What we need is to expand upon ideas and make the most of the new BO3 stuff such as wall jumping. I just think Treyarch could have done more, that's all.

no BO1 had a "port" of the "original"


This is a complete "remake" with every single asset remastered, and a entirely different mod running. Please read

Its the same layout, and still has 3 teleporters and dogs. Beyond that, youll find most things have changed, yes apart from the structures....

Maps have been "remade" throughout the history of gaming, dunno why y'all keep bringing that up now. The alternative is we cant play Der Riese "at all" coz no one is ever on old gen, and most may have traded in to get this

I assume it's an IOS, as you mentioned safari? I use a 5s with IPS 9.1, runa pretty well but takes some time moving around the forum.

It is but im on Ios 7 coz im jailbroken and too lazy to update it safely