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Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013, 09:49:38 am

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Found out that the name is the windows username user is currently logged on.

Reply #16 on: August 29, 2013, 03:02:31 pm

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Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

Sure, his program is technically violating the data protection laws, but he is hardly an international criminal mastermind. He does a good job for this community, and I doubt he would risk it all by tampering with individuals information, or messing with their data via remote access.

I appreciate getting told this, but with it being Tom who is getting put into the spotlight, I find it trivial at best.

This is just another black mark on this small scene. Why is everyone always hating on each other in the custom community!?

Reply #17 on: August 29, 2013, 03:55:42 pm

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Quote from: Ray1235 on August 29, 2013, 09:49:38 am

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Found out that the name is the windows username user is currently logged on.

That's exactly what I said in the OP, lol. Most people have their windows usernames set to their first + last name.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 03:02:31 pm

Much ado about nothing if you ask me.

Sure, his program is technically violating the data protection laws, but he is hardly an international criminal mastermind. He does a good job for this community, and I doubt he would risk it all by tampering with individuals information, or messing with their data via remote access.

I mentioned in the OP that I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, I'm trying to get these issues corrected. I would like to see versions of these programs that do not upload your username to Tom's servers - or even better, not upload anything at all. At the very least I would expect to see Tom comply with international laws by giving notice to users about what data the program collects.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 03:02:31 pm

I appreciate getting told this, but with it being Tom who is getting put into the spotlight, I find it trivial at best.

This is just another black mark on this small scene. Why is everyone always hating on each other in the custom community!?

I'm really not concerned with black marks or hating on each other. I'm only concerned about my personal data being collected and stored remotely without my consent. And as I mentioned a few posts above, I'm also concerned that I was threatened as a result of (allegedly) malicious code in one of these programs. Obviously we'll never know if there is actually code like that in the apps, but I wouldn't put it past him.

Reply #18 on: August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

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Apologies... I was not actually accusing you of the blackening of anyones name, and should have worded my reply better. I was actually talking about the trash talking on other 'custom' sites.

I see you getting slated by people left, right and center in this scene, and always found this particular site to be more refreshing than the others, so was taken aback by seeing this post.

I think Tom was just using you as an example of what he was technically capable of, and probably did not mean any malice, but I appreciate your stance on it.

But really... it's Tom we are talking about here. I seriously cannot see him actually intending on stealing peoples personal information and using it in a malicious way.

Still, I do appreciate being notified on this subject, but it does come across a little more serious than I think it is.

Again though, I was not accusing you of trying to stir up anything, and have actually defended you to the high heavens over on the TMG site.

Reply #19 on: August 29, 2013, 04:28:03 pm

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Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

Apologies... I was not actually accusing you of the blackening of anyones name, and should have worded my reply better. I was actually talking about the trash talking on other 'custom' sites.

I see you getting slated by people left, right and center in this scene, and always found this particular site to be more refreshing than the others, so was taken aback by seeing this post.

I really am not trying to bash anyone, cause a stir over something trivial, or otherwise trying to cause any fights or problems. That's the last thing I want to do on this website, and I will not allow it to happen here. The nature of this problem might make it seem like I'm trying to put shame to Tom's name, but my concern here is progress towards getting these programs on the legal side of things, not to bring down Tom's reputation (although he's doing quite a bit of damage to that on his own lately).

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

I think Tom was just using you as an example of what he was technically capable of, and probably did not mean any malice, but I appreciate your stance on it.

I would think that's even more worrysome since it means he can target any member of the modding community who has used his tools. Judging from the past, I would take it as a threat from him to me personally, but that's not the topic of this conversation and it's a personal matter.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

But really... it's Tom we are talking about here. I seriously cannot see him actually intending on stealing peoples personal information and using it in a malicious way.

Well, he did just recently take ZM away from Darkflame and BigDave - and for whatever reasons he might claim he did it for is beside the fact that the database and users within it do not belong to him. None of the users gave him their contest to move their personal accounts to another forum website, which violates the legal agreement they made when they signed up on ZM. Considering he did this without batting an eye, I really wouldn't rule out the possibility of him using people's personal information in other areas.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

Still, I do appreciate being notified on this subject, but it does come across a little more serious than I think it is.

Of course you are welcome to take whatever you like from all of this

I'm glad you appreciate the topic, that's all I would ask from anyone.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:12:56 pm

Again though, I was not accusing you of trying to stir up anything, and have actually defended you to the high heavens over on the TMG site.

Always appreciated friend.

Reply #20 on: August 29, 2013, 04:35:28 pm

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No probs mate. I love what you do on this scene, and I am sick of seeing people trashing you for this, that and the next thing. You do so much, and for free at that!

Regarding the ZM site, and what Tom did. I am aware of it, and think it was harsh, but Darkflame brought the ZM site down with the posting of pornographic GIF's regularly, and has given the site a bad name of late.

I lost respect for him when I was forced into only browsing the site at night so as not to subject my children to such unrelated filth.

I do not know Tom's reasons for jumping ship, but these guys still posting over there are idiots. The live feed on the homepage is a joke now, and when asked why they continued to post such irrelevant images, I got mocked and slated by the very people you mentions.

Shameful.

Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 04:37:36 pm by DeathBringerZen

Reply #21 on: August 29, 2013, 05:27:47 pm

Does his auto installer give away our privacy too? That is really the only thing I've used from him. Also, thanks alot Trem. Atleast we know that we can trust someone.

Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 05:31:35 pm by 90Dboy

Reply #22 on: August 29, 2013, 08:21:08 pm

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Quote from: 90Dboy on August 29, 2013, 05:27:47 pm

Does his auto installer give away our privacy too? That is really the only thing I've used from him.

I haven't tested it yet - I doubt it though, as it is based on legitimate software called NSIS. I'll test it when I get home.

Quote from: 90Dboy on August 29, 2013, 05:27:47 pm

Also, thanks alot Trem. Atleast we know that we can trust someone.

Any time

Reply #23 on: August 29, 2013, 08:27:13 pm

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Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:35:28 pm

No probs mate. I love what you do on this scene, and I am sick of seeing people trashing you for this, that and the next thing. You do so much, and for free at that!

Thank you for the very kind words, always means a lot to hear stuff like this.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:35:28 pm

Regarding the ZM site, and what Tom did. I am aware of it, and think it was harsh, but Darkflame brought the ZM site down with the posting of pornographic GIF's regularly, and has given the site a bad name of late.

Very true, lot of inappropriate material on there for the kids. Not what you expect or want to find on a gaming forum.

Quote from: DeathBringerZen on August 29, 2013, 04:35:28 pm

I do not know Tom's reasons for jumping ship, but these guys still posting over there are idiots. The live feed on the homepage is a joke now, and when asked why they continued to post such irrelevant images, I got mocked and slated by the very people you mentions.

In the original post of this topic, there is a link to Tom's reasoning for the breakup. I don't wish to make any speculations for either side of the story, but one thing we know for certain is that both sides have made some mistakes and have their reasons for thinking the way they do. Should be interesting to see how this plays out over the next couple days.

Reply #24 on: August 30, 2013, 12:09:48 am

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If anyone has any questions regarding Tom's latest response on his website I would be happy to answer them. As far as an update, there really isn't anything to add or change to this topic because he did not address any of the reasons this topic was created or why his programs are now in question.

All I see is an attempt at character assassination rather than addressing the actual issues presented in this topic.

I wrote this topic after an allegation that Tom claimed he can run malicious commands on my own PC, and I decided to investigate the network traffic from his programs myself. I found something which I believe concerns everyone who uses his program. The topic's timing has nothing to do with any other responses which have been posted on other sites - it's directly related to new information which was immediately brought to my attention.

Obviously it is in my best interest to follow up on any personal threats (regardless of their validity), and this was me responding accordingly.

Reply #25 on: August 30, 2013, 10:47:27 pm

Great Find

Reply #26 on: August 31, 2013, 01:43:25 am

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i tried to think of something i could say about this, ..but im just..speechless..

Reply #27 on: August 31, 2013, 01:53:05 am

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damn, this was unexpected... wtf tom

Reply #28 on: August 31, 2013, 01:37:03 pm

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hmmm im a member of ZM but i havent downloaded any of trems software, but i have the ZM installer for maps which is coded by tom_bmx so whats the score here?

Reply #29 on: August 31, 2013, 02:10:42 pm

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Quote from: timelordalex on August 31, 2013, 01:37:03 pm

hmmm im a member of ZM but i havent downloaded any of trems software, but i have the ZM installer for maps which is coded by tom_bmx so whats the score here?

Quote from: treminaor on August 29, 2013, 08:21:08 pm

I haven't tested it yet - I doubt it though, as it is based on legitimate software called NSIS. I'll test it when I get home.Any time



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