C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\127.0.0.1 tom-bmx.comdo you actually know if lime does that too? because lime doesnt even start if it cant look for update ...I tested Lime and it appears to only upload crash logs and check for an update xml file on his website (which is why I didn't specify it in the list of programs).
and yeah what should i say... kinda makes me angry >:(
Well. At least Lime is clear.Doesn't mean there isn't any malicious code in it, though. Don't really have any way of telling that until the day he uses it.
HAHAHA, you cant be serious, if the application is connecting to the server obviously its checking for updates, you say your so humble and appreciative of all the work he does that make our jobs easier and then still you still acttack him and accuse him of his tools "tracking" you. Seriously he has alot of better things to do than track people that use his programs, or hack them for that matter, and why would he bother doing such things if he could potentially be working for one of the worlds main/biggest companies (google), why would he ruin that oppourtnity in order to violate tracking and unlawful access to data laws. Honestly it doesnt make sense, also i like the amount of time you spent on making the topic look nice and pretty. :derp:Did you read the rest of the topic? You can look for yourself using Wireshark, its not just checking for updates.
HAHAHA, you cant be serious, if the application is connecting to the server obviously its checking for updates, you say your so humble and appreciative of all the work he does that make our jobs easier and then still you still acttack him and accuse him of his tools "tracking" you. Seriously he has alot of better things to do than track people that use his programs, or hack them for that matter, and why would he bother doing such things if he could potentially be working for one of the worlds main/biggest companies (google), why would he ruin that oppourtnity in order to violate tracking and unlawful access to data laws. Honestly it doesnt make sense, also i like the amount of time you spent on making the topic look nice and pretty. :derp:What would you say about this:
yes i read the whole topic, i personally asked him today about the xmodel utils because dave mentioned it on ZM and he told me that it only checks for updates, and nothing more, as people accussed him of that in the past, and he also said that if people really want to they can turn off the auto updates as he will probably never update it anyway, i would post a picture of the conversation that happened on steam but i had updated steam since which refreshed the chat log.I really wouldn't expect him to say any different - using his words as evidence is hearsay. The only evidence you can consider factual is what you can observe happening - and this would be that your name is provided during an update check, along with usage statistics. Why would he need your name for an update check?
i cannot confirm anything that is for him to do im just stating what he has told me personally to the most recent events of these accusations
fair enough, then can you explain to us users of how we can use wireshark to monitor the activity of toms xmodelutils so we can see for ourselvesSure thing.
ip.dst==83.170.112.44(http://i.imgur.com/5GbjfZE.png)That's exactly what I said in the OP, lol. Most people have their windows usernames set to their first + last name.
Found out that the name is the windows username user is currently logged on.
Much ado about nothing if you ask me.I mentioned in the OP that I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, I'm trying to get these issues corrected. I would like to see versions of these programs that do not upload your username to Tom's servers - or even better, not upload anything at all. At the very least I would expect to see Tom comply with international laws by giving notice to users about what data the program collects.
Sure, his program is technically violating the data protection laws, but he is hardly an international criminal mastermind. He does a good job for this community, and I doubt he would risk it all by tampering with individuals information, or messing with their data via remote access.
I appreciate getting told this, but with it being Tom who is getting put into the spotlight, I find it trivial at best.I'm really not concerned with black marks or hating on each other. I'm only concerned about my personal data being collected and stored remotely without my consent. And as I mentioned a few posts above, I'm also concerned that I was threatened as a result of (allegedly) malicious code in one of these programs. Obviously we'll never know if there is actually code like that in the apps, but I wouldn't put it past him.
This is just another black mark on this small scene. Why is everyone always hating on each other in the custom community!?
Apologies... I was not actually accusing you of the blackening of anyones name, and should have worded my reply better. I was actually talking about the trash talking on other 'custom' sites.I really am not trying to bash anyone, cause a stir over something trivial, or otherwise trying to cause any fights or problems. That's the last thing I want to do on this website, and I will not allow it to happen here. The nature of this problem might make it seem like I'm trying to put shame to Tom's name, but my concern here is progress towards getting these programs on the legal side of things, not to bring down Tom's reputation (although he's doing quite a bit of damage to that on his own lately).
I see you getting slated by people left, right and center in this scene, and always found this particular site to be more refreshing than the others, so was taken aback by seeing this post.
I think Tom was just using you as an example of what he was technically capable of, and probably did not mean any malice, but I appreciate your stance on it.I would think that's even more worrysome since it means he can target any member of the modding community who has used his tools. Judging from the past, I would take it as a threat from him to me personally, but that's not the topic of this conversation and it's a personal matter.
But really... it's Tom we are talking about here. I seriously cannot see him actually intending on stealing peoples personal information and using it in a malicious way.Well, he did just recently take ZM away from Darkflame and BigDave - and for whatever reasons he might claim he did it for is beside the fact that the database and users within it do not belong to him. None of the users gave him their contest to move their personal accounts to another forum website, which violates the legal agreement they made when they signed up on ZM. Considering he did this without batting an eye, I really wouldn't rule out the possibility of him using people's personal information in other areas.
Still, I do appreciate being notified on this subject, but it does come across a little more serious than I think it is.Of course you are welcome to take whatever you like from all of this :) I'm glad you appreciate the topic, that's all I would ask from anyone.
Again though, I was not accusing you of trying to stir up anything, and have actually defended you to the high heavens over on the TMG site.Always appreciated friend.
Does his auto installer give away our privacy too? That is really the only thing I've used from him.I haven't tested it yet - I doubt it though, as it is based on legitimate software called NSIS. I'll test it when I get home.
Also, thanks alot Trem. Atleast we know that we can trust someone.Any time :)
No probs mate. I love what you do on this scene, and I am sick of seeing people trashing you for this, that and the next thing. You do so much, and for free at that!Thank you for the very kind words, always means a lot to hear stuff like this.
Regarding the ZM site, and what Tom did. I am aware of it, and think it was harsh, but Darkflame brought the ZM site down with the posting of pornographic GIF's regularly, and has given the site a bad name of late.Very true, lot of inappropriate material on there for the kids. Not what you expect or want to find on a gaming forum.
I do not know Tom's reasons for jumping ship, but these guys still posting over there are idiots. The live feed on the homepage is a joke now, and when asked why they continued to post such irrelevant images, I got mocked and slated by the very people you mentions.In the original post of this topic, there is a link to Tom's reasoning (http://zm.tom-crowley.co.uk/index.php?topic=12266.msg129221#msg129221) for the breakup. I don't wish to make any speculations for either side of the story, but one thing we know for certain is that both sides have made some mistakes and have their reasons for thinking the way they do. Should be interesting to see how this plays out over the next couple days.
hmmm im a member of ZM but i havent downloaded any of trems software, but i have the ZM installer for maps which is coded by tom_bmx so whats the score here?
I haven't tested it yet - I doubt it though, as it is based on legitimate software called NSIS. I'll test it when I get home.Any time :)
So just to be sure, the people who never has used Lime or any other of tom's program are safe?Correct.