america is the only one with this amendment tho

tis is what we mean by "uncompromising"

refusing to even "try" a proved working method with the rest of the world, regardless of atrocities. because of hundred year old amendments that have never been reviewed

and these are hundreds of years old...Before there were regulatory bodies and coup-de-tas from military overthrowing corrupt governments

all im saying is "The USA wont even try it, so you cant say it wont work"

Works just fine for the other 90% of the planet

i wont even consider the "taking my rights away" argument coz - you dont need a gun. More to the point, you dont need a assault rifle, this is the part no-one directly answers. Sorry, I just cant consider it

I would like protection, i know that its illegal, and believe there are reason for that. If i saw a robbery, we let them rob, rather than risk lives. why risk human life over things

all im saying

And you don't know that it WILL work either.

And your right. We WILL NOT consider taking our rights away. Because they are our rights that our country fought for. We will not give them up without resistance. I've already explained why.

I agree that we don't "Need" assault rifles and machine guns. And walking around town with an m16 is not a good idea just because its "legal". Its fucking stupid. I'm saying that I have the Right to carry and own firearms, and I've already explained why that it is important. And taking that away WILL lead to more crime, less say in our government, which could lead to corruption, like I said.

The only positive thing that can come from taking away civilian weapons is that there will be almost 0 "accidental" shootings and people who do not have the intense motivation to do crimes will not do crimes. But like I've said before, what about the illegally bought weapons that criminal do and ALWAYS WILL use? Will the reduction in "accidental" shootings be enough to allow criminals to go around shooting people without resistance, other than police?

And how will you feel when the police show up at my door and say "Come with me" for no reason? And you cant do ANYTHING about it.

And you don't know that it WILL work either.

And your right. We WILL NOT consider taking our rights away. Because they are our rights that our country fought for. We will not give them up without resistance. I've already explained why.

I agree that we don't "Need" assault rifles and machine guns. And walking around town with an m16 is not a good idea just because its "legal". Its fucking stupid. I'm saying that I have the Right to carry and own firearms, and I've already explained why that it is important. And taking that away WILL lead to more crime, less say in our government, which could lead to corruption, like I said.

The only positive thing that can come from taking away civilian weapons is that there will be almost 0 "accidental" shootings and people who do not have the intense motivation to do crimes will not do crimes. But like I've said before, what about the illegally bought weapons that criminal do and ALWAYS WILL use? Will the reduction in "accidental" shootings be enough to allow criminals to go around shooting people without resistance, other than police?

And how will you feel when the police show up at my door and say "Come with me" for no reason? And you cant do ANYTHING about it.

And you don't know that it WILL work either.

actually theres a abundance of evidence stemming from my country - the one you all come from originally

again, not saying taking your "rights" away, thats typical MERICA lol

Im saying, you dont need this "now". 1700? maybe, not in the 21st century

but clearly any point i make is just me wanting to endanger lives lol

And how will you feel when the police show up at my door and say "Come with me" for no reason? And you cant do ANYTHING about it.

i dont have a gun, and im 28, yet to see this happen, yet to read about it ever happening either, please can we speak in relevence, even if that were to happen, the police would come gun you down right after anyway, as is "often" the case there

The Paris train incident was stopped by an "unarmed" bistander

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34507760

"As a parent I feel more comfortable with my children having a weapon on campus rather than a dildo"

Oh you crazy Americans...

again, not saying taking your "rights" away, thats typical MERICA lol

Is owning a firearm not a right?

Im saying, you dont need this "now". 1700? maybe, not in the 21st century

If you think that the world is all butterflies and roses, then yeah. But something like this COULD happen today.

but clearly any point i make is just me wanting to endanger lives lol

I never said that. I'm just saying that taking all guns is NOT a viable option. It would do just as much harm as it would good.

i dont have a gun, and im 28, yet to see this happen, yet to read about it ever happening either, please can we speak in relevence

I am speaking in relevance. Something like this could happen today. The world is not any less fucked-up than it was in the 1700's.

Trust me when I tell you, I don't even like watching the news anymore. Every murder and mass shooting I hear about makes me want to move to mars. Plus the media being what it is today, everything is made to sound even worse than it is. If they cant blame racism, they blame guns. If they can't blame guns, they blame culture (violent movies, video games, ect.) Never-ending cycle of bullshit.

lol i think your taking my words to heart man, its not a attack on you

I just think weapons are unnecesary, and that people saying otherwise wont even consider that argument. And Im glad to live in a country where i dont need to worry my kid is gonna get shot in the face at school, or that peoples "opinion" is that he should "go talk to random depressed strangers" who could be carrying something thatll cause them a instant death lol

Ive lived my whole life in a country without them, hardly any gun crime here, and the police dont even need guns

except in london - coz its a criminals paradise and a shit hole lol

To start with im saying they shouldnt be allowed in "public" - not "not allowed"

in your house fine, but the second its seen "out side" you - should - be asked why, its unnecesary, and endangering others. And other people do not have a right to tell others that they should just live with the fact they feel their lives  are in danger as a result of a clearly lax rule

Trust me when I tell you, I don't even like watching the news anymore. Every murder and mass shooting I hear about makes me want to move to mars. Plus the media being what it is today, everything is made to sound even worse than it is. If they cant blame racism, they blame guns. If they can't blame guns, they blame culture (violent movies, video games, ect.) Never-ending cycle of bullshit.

Again, huge difference. A game cant kill, no matter what you do. A gun can by complete accident or a moment of mental instability. This is a fact you cannot deny. this is - preventable. And the 100% sure fire way to do that, is take the risk element away

Is owning a firearm not a right?

Tbh im fed up with hearing about what everyone thinks is their "right" these days. Just coz reasons

Its my "right" to state benefits, its my "right" to medical attention, its my "right" to "a family life" - this too is all complete bullshit im afraid

Is it not my "right" to be a mass drug producer muler? Why not, im not endangering anyone, drugs are safe, if the user is safe, when the ammendments were made, they were not illegal. - carrys 100kilos of cocain and heroin to car -

guess what? These were "changed" after it was "proven" drugs cause mass crime and endanger lives

the sooner people get their self richeous attitudes back to normal flow, the world will be better

the jihadis think its their "right" to slaughter the non believers. But fuck it, let em walk around america with uzis and m16s , because the dude behind him carrying one - hes alright 

Meanwhile ill be sat in the saftey of britain, not getting shot when i pop to the shop lol

Is owning a firearm not a right?
If you think that the world is all butterflies and roses, then yeah. But something like this COULD happen today.
I never said that. I'm just saying that taking all guns is NOT a viable option. It would do just as much harm as it would good.
I am speaking in relevance. Something like this could happen today. The world is not any less fucked-up than it was in the 1700's.

Trust me when I tell you, I don't even like watching the news anymore. Every murder and mass shooting I hear about makes me want to move to mars. Plus the media being what it is today, everything is made to sound even worse than it is. If they cant blame racism, they blame guns. If they can't blame guns, they blame culture (violent movies, video games, ect.) Never-ending cycle of bullshit.

I'm not gonna get into this (had this discussion on another forum recently) but I'm just gonna say I just knew it would be you defending gun rights Slayer...

I'm not gonna get into this (had this discussion on another forum recently) but I'm just gonna say I just knew it would be you defending gun rights Slayer...

Yes, how dare I defend something I believe in

Yes, how dare I defend something I believe in

lol now now you two

- spreads hugs and kisses -

lol i think your taking my words to heart man, its not a attack on you

I just think weapons are unnecesary, and that people saying otherwise wont even consider that argument. And Im glad to live in a country where i dont need to worry my kid is gonna get shot in the face at school, or that peoples "opinion" is that he should "go talk to random depressed strangers" who could be carrying something thatll cause them a instant death lol

Ive lived my whole life in a country without them, hardly any gun crime here, and the police dont even need guns

except in london - coz its a criminals paradise and a shit hole lol

To start with im saying they shouldnt be allowed in "public" - not "not allowed"

in your house fine, but the second its seen "out side" you - should - be asked why, its unnecesary, and endangering others. And other people do not have a right to tell others that they should just live with the fact they feel their lives  are in danger as a result of a clearly lax rule


Again, huge difference. A game cant kill, no matter what you do. A gun can by complete accident or a moment of mental instability. This is a fact you cannot deny. this is - preventable. And the 100% sure fire way to do that, is take the risk element away

Tbh im fed up with hearing about what everyone thinks is their "right" these days. Just coz reasons

Its my "right" to state benefits, its my "right" to medical attention, its my "right" to "a family life" - this too is all complete bullshit im afraid

Is it not my "right" to be a mass drug producer muler? Why not, im not endangering anyone, drugs are safe, if the user is safe, when the ammendments were made, they were not illegal. - carrys 100kilos of cocain and heroin to car -

guess what? These were "changed" after it was "proven" drugs cause mass crime and endanger lives

the sooner people get their self richeous attitudes back to normal flow, the world will be better

the jihadis think its their "right" to slaughter the non believers. But fuck it, let em walk around america with uzis and m16s , because the dude behind him carrying one - hes alright 

Meanwhile ill be sat in the saftey of britain, not getting shot when i pop to the shop lol

I never said you were attacking me lol

Its obvious that neither of us are going to change our mind. I've said all that I need to say and i'm sure you have too. Lets just call it a draw. Besides, its not like a forum conversation is going to cause any change lol.

never! 

alright fine lol

Yes, how dare I defend something I believe in

I do like the fact you stick to your guns (you see what I did there? ) no matter what, even in the face of all logic and reasoned, sensible opposition. It's almost commendable, in a weird, twisted way. It's just a shame you always chose to support the wrong thing.

I do like the fact you stick to your guns (you see what I did there? ) no matter what, even in the face of all logic and reasoned, sensible opposition. It's almost commendable, in a weird, twisted way. It's just a shame you always chose to support the wrong thing.

shots fired

- see what i did there - 

I do like the fact you stick to your guns (you see what I did there? ) no matter what, even in the face of all logic and reasoned, sensible opposition. It's almost commendable, in a weird, twisted way. It's just a shame you always chose to support the wrong thing.

An "Opinion" can't be "Wrong" but... ok thanks for the "Compliment"?... I guess

couldnt resist slayer lol

And if you think that could never happen, you are ignorant and wrong.

An "Opinion" can't be "Wrong" but... ok thanks for the "Compliment"?... I guess

well... maybe sometimes

I can think of two

jihad and the holocaust lol   

An "Opinion" can't be "Wrong" but... ok thanks for the "Compliment"?... I guess

Lol, I always get dragged into these things...

That old chestnut eh?

I'll use the example I used on another forum to another guy who used that flawed logic. Observe.

'It's my opinion that the Moon is made of cheese. This cannot be wrong, as it is merely my opinion.'

Perhaps rather than 'wrong' you could use the world 'stupid' if it makes you feel better.