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UGX-Mods => Announcements => Topic started by: treminaor on August 12, 2014, 10:00:15 pm

Title: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 12, 2014, 10:00:15 pm
Lately we have seen a lot of mappers become frustrated and annoyed because their WIP topics keep receiving replies from people asking to play a beta of an unfinished map, without any regard for if the mapper has asked for testers or if the map is even in a playable state yet. While some of these replies are from people who genuinely want to help find bugs in the map, the majority of them are just from people trying to play a map early and don't care about giving the mapper any feedback.

I came up with an idea today that I wanted to run by you guys and see if you think it would help solve the problem and see if you would take advantage of this system as a mapper.

Here is the idea:

So what are your guys' thoughts on this? Do you think it would help? Do you think it's a waste of our time? Mappers, would you use this system? Would you find this useful?

I also had an idea about adding some sort of rep system for mappers to use to rate a tester with a +1 or a -1 for if they were a useful beta tester, so that other mappers can identify which testers would be most genuine about being helpful. This would probably be a lot of work to implement.

Also keep in mind I have not coded any of this yet so it will probably take some days/weeks/etc to get anything up and running for this.

- UGX-Mods Forum Staff
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Dust on August 12, 2014, 10:04:54 pm
I personally love this idea! I am also sick of seeing people go on to my WIP's(and others) asking for beta access. This will definitely clear up half of the replies on peoples WIPS. That also makes it easier for us to choose who we want to give the beta to and who we dont want to give the people to. Most of the people who request beta access are less than 50 posts and are just noobs who want the map early
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: timelordalex on August 12, 2014, 10:04:57 pm
I do agree I'm tired of seeing noobs ignoring everything on the WiP and just asking for a beta which in their minds is early access before anyone else, but i dont think a button even at the top of the WiP would stand out to them, they would still comment, but least a warning to them should let them know
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: JBird632 on August 12, 2014, 10:08:05 pm
Right on Trem, this would be a great feature to the forum.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Delta on August 12, 2014, 10:26:52 pm
I see possibilities ...  :troll:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: SoulTaker on August 12, 2014, 10:28:14 pm
I love the idea. Nothing is worse then people asking for download links or to beta test a W.I.P map it's disrespectful  in my opinion. W.I.P is meant to show off how a map looks and for feedback. Although the majority of the people who ask for beta access are just people who usually just download maps and don't ever try to talk to people on here.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Dust on August 12, 2014, 10:28:35 pm
wow 5 to 0, ya i think its unanimous. everyone wants this
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Psych on August 12, 2014, 10:53:30 pm
This is an excellent idea. I do find it annoying that most of the replies on some WIP's are just people asking for access. idk when or why it started but it can definitely be frustrating.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: JR-Imagine on August 12, 2014, 11:05:48 pm
Great idea, getting on my nerves reading through stuff and seeing half of it is people asking to beta test. I sense tons of warnings coming soon to those who don't read rules. :poker:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: n123q45 on August 12, 2014, 11:16:30 pm
Its a great idea as long as you make a rule that forbids asking people for betas in the chat  :alone:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: ConvictioNDR on August 12, 2014, 11:59:30 pm
Sounds like a good idea so long as the rep system for it actually gets used properly.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: CyberMan1011 on August 13, 2014, 12:09:36 am
Great idea
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 13, 2014, 12:13:05 am
Sounds like a good idea so long as the rep system for it actually gets used properly.
Maybe the way to manage that aspect would be to only allow Communtiy Mappers (or Elites?) to use the rep system so that newb mappers aren't just +1ing everyone who signed up.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: ConvictioNDR on August 13, 2014, 12:36:40 am
Maybe the way to manage that aspect would be to only allow Communtiy Mappers (or Elites?) to use the rep system so that newb mappers aren't just +1ing everyone who signed up.
That could work. I don't know how many elite mappers there is, so I don't know what making it elite only would do in the amount of rep given. I say it's worth a shot to make beta rep community\elite mappers only.
Maybe a little extra added would be a field the person wanting the beta can fill out stating the reason they want to beta test. I know I would already send a message asking that question so it would save some time and make it a little easier to weed out the "map look awsum i wana play" people. The rep and the reason they give can be displayed under the person's name on the list.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: HitmanVere on August 13, 2014, 03:41:27 am
I like the idea, even though nobody asks betas in my maps  :alone: Oh well, I think the rep system should be allowed to those, who have  community title and/or over 250 posts. Some people are great mappers and such, but few things might ruin them from getting the title, so they can prove themselves in other way
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: pashan on August 13, 2014, 04:27:20 am
I like the idea, even though nobody asks betas in my maps  :alone:

I feel your pain  :'(
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: luisdude1 on August 13, 2014, 06:18:54 am
great idea! even tho i absolutely failed at beta testing backlot, as i became busy with RL problems, so i cant beta test ANY maps right now, as i do not have my laptop with me, so i cant give feedback or do some bug-testing anymore. but yeah! go for it man!
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Lukkie1998 on August 13, 2014, 08:43:17 am
Trem, i personally love this idea. This would really minimize the topic replies! Love it :rainbow:

Lukkie1998
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: Zombiejelly on August 13, 2014, 10:46:59 am
I think this is going to be great and benefits everyone including mods :gusta:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: jorgep28 on August 13, 2014, 10:49:11 pm
Amazing ideas, especially the rep system. I hope to see this soon on the forums  ;D
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: n123q45 on August 13, 2014, 11:56:47 pm
u should add a resime of all the maps that the player has been allowed to beta test
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 14, 2014, 12:00:06 am
u should add a resime of all the maps that the player has been allowed to beta test
Good idea, I'll add that to the list.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: DeletedUser on August 14, 2014, 01:43:41 am
Great idea Trem.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: jorgep28 on August 16, 2014, 05:00:55 am
oh also, can I beta test the beta testing system?  :troll:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: SoulTaker on August 16, 2014, 05:19:20 pm
Lol that one person who's against it. xD
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: timelordalex on August 16, 2014, 07:23:55 pm
Lol that one person who's against it. xD

Its you isnt it
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: SoulTaker on August 17, 2014, 05:30:17 am
Its you isnt it
Nah I don't roll that way.
 8)
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: conn6orsuper117 on August 18, 2014, 02:35:35 am
I actually like this idea. I always check before making any replies to topics( to prevent asking the same questions from others) but about halfway I give up due to hundreds of open beta requests. Yes this is a must.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 22, 2014, 07:42:42 pm
Alright, the poll is concluded and obviously everyone wants this to be added so I will start working on it and post when it's ready.

Topic Locked for now.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 31, 2014, 10:56:55 am
Progress update: The system is about 95% done and should be implemented at some point tomorrow if all goes according to plan. I added a couple more features:

(https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FHvMa42W.png&hash=f9bc31f4a925e1482017ede70b2d679ef4ed9ba7)

You can manually add people to your beta if you have some friends that you know will want the beta. You can send a mass PM (limit of 15 per hour for spam reasons) to the group of selected participants (or the whole group if you use the select all button).

A PM notification will be sent to users whose beta access requests are accepted:

(https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FW39Ub1A.png&hash=e2d39d59c5adb68f0f5b4623bcab73e62f25d5cc)

So yeah there's basically only one more bug I have to fix and then I just need to migrate the files onto the live version of the site. If anyone has any additional (feasible) suggestions please let me know soon so that I can consider implementing it before going live with the changes. I decided against implementing the rep system for now (maybe at a later date).

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Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: n123q45 on August 31, 2014, 01:29:42 pm
is the list of beta testers visible to the other beta testers? and if so could you make it so you can see their waw name so that you can test with the others?
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: steviewonder87 on August 31, 2014, 02:42:44 pm
So can I beta test this new system then?  :troll:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: HitmanVere on August 31, 2014, 03:19:12 pm
So can I beta test this new system then?  :troll:

Well, I was in need of beta testers soon and I was used as example, so I might be better candidate than you :troll:

Trem, looks pretty good! Is the app itself going to be that bland or is it going to have for example UGX logo or something else to make it look "better"?
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: DeletedUser on August 31, 2014, 04:17:42 pm
And to think I only found out about this awesome feature in progress just now ;-;
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: n123q45 on August 31, 2014, 04:19:05 pm
And to think I only found out about this awesome feature in progress just now ;-;
#fail (https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F435729.medialib.glogster.com%2Fthumbnails%2Fc375515988a2b3e7e65ba655635ce96bcbf706ad6f098311256b6db800efe728%2Fskateboard-fail-source.jpg&hash=7e3f9b2ef291b8e29720b064e62a40cb72344e80)
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 31, 2014, 07:31:29 pm
Trem, looks pretty good! Is the app itself going to be that bland or is it going to have for example UGX logo or something else to make it look "better"?
? It's not an app, it's part of the forum... http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png (http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png)

is the list of beta testers visible to the other beta testers? and if so could you make it so you can see their waw name so that you can test with the others?
No, because it is possible the mapper would want to keep his list private. You can ask the mapper for a list of the participants (he can just copy/paste the listbox after clicking Select All), or if he uses the Send PM to Selected button you will get a PM with 14 other testers shown in the recipients line.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: DeletedUser on August 31, 2014, 07:41:29 pm
I got a suggestion. The mapper could request the user to convice him why he should add the user as a beta tester. Clicking request beta access button would make a text box to pop up.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 31, 2014, 07:45:27 pm
I got a suggestion. The mapper could request the user to convice him why he should add the user as a beta tester. Clicking request beta access button would make a text box to pop up.
Sending their own PM to the mapper after applying to the beta would be sufficient I think.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: pashan on August 31, 2014, 07:50:04 pm
is there a estimated release date for this?
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: HitmanVere on August 31, 2014, 08:06:16 pm
? It's not an app, it's part of the forum... http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png (http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png)

Ah, shit, lol. Sorry bout that  :poker:
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: n123q45 on August 31, 2014, 08:50:29 pm
http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png (http://i.imgur.com/PcGZ3l0.png)
those unread pms (https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfacewhen.net%2Fuploads%2F647-lol-wut.png&hash=17f2a19d1a704ce1a294ee78621f389f9a15602b)
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on August 31, 2014, 10:49:26 pm
those unread pms (http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/647-lol-wut.png)
I read all PMs from email, so the unread ones are just ones I never clicked the link to reply to.

is there a estimated release date for this?
Progress update: The system is about 95% done and should be implemented at some point tomorrow if all goes according to plan.
Title: Re: [Discuss] People bugging mappers for betas...
Post by: treminaor on September 01, 2014, 06:32:13 am
Alright, the changes have been uploaded and the Beta Request System should be active. Hopefully nothing is broken  :poker:

http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=3887 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=3887)

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