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Call of Duty 5: World at War => Work-In-Progress => Custom Maps, Mods & Tools => Mods => Topic started by: SparkyMcSparks on June 01, 2014, 10:32:22 pm
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Thought I'd finally post this since people see me on Steam using the mod tools and have been asking a lot, figured it'd be good to have some transparency to see if anyone has ideas or feedback for the mod while it's being worked on.
What It Is
A linear experience that is more about getting from point A to point B with Nazi Zombies slowing you down. Think of Extinction, but instead of forcefully making players stop every couple feet to defend it'll all be randomly generated in real-time by script constantly polling to see how players are doing and what to throw at them in terms of Zombies.
What It Isn't
This isn't a game type like Objectives game mode that is layered on top of the regular Classic game type, this mod is fully catered to bringing a similar experience you get from Call of Duty singleplayer levels but with a Zombie twist.
Who's Working On It
Just me and DidUKnowIPwn are scripting. We have a map donated by Zeroy (MP_Argentan_Night) that we are using. Currently this seems to be a good size team since we're just focusing on getting the mod to a playable state.
Features
We don't want to lock ourselves into features that don't work or aren't fun, this is an iterative process and will take time to see what works and doesn't work. But for now...
* Zombies spawn dynamically at random spots as you play every time.
* Intensity ramps up dynamically depending on how bad or good you are doing.
* Vignettes to help tell a story for each level.
How Can I Get Updates?
Either this thread or visit / subscribe to my Twitch where I'll regularly try to stream development (although most of the time it may be uneventful until we get something more playable up and running): http://www.twitch.tv/sparkymcsparks (http://www.twitch.tv/sparkymcsparks)
I have ideas / suggestions, where can I get them to you guys?
Please post ideas here with your username for tracking: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H9fMLZXcnrqGrBEBjDQIBhCLb4zejD8RFZsj4Iggcro/edit?usp=sharing
Can You Make A Map For It?
Yes! While the mod isn't currently released, you can still start working on a map for it if you like.
Design a map that is linear, don't worry about doors / gates / scripted events as those are influx -- it shouldn't be stopping you from laying out a map.
Right now we're trying to keep it very modular. At the very least, to get the mod working in your map all you'd have to do is add a line of script_structs from beginning to end. The mod takes care of the rest in populating your map based on players getting from beginning to the end, and using path nodes to dynamically drop in zombies.
Here is the layout for ZM Argentan:
Green Lines == Various routes to take
Red Lines == Script_Structs which allow the mod to run on your map.
(https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fqb0oEzb.png&hash=c67adbab2d3301d19dfd8f7e1975e312ede841f8)
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Wow sounds awesome! Definitely would love to use this in my maps
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(https://www.ugx-mods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc04.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2013%2F357%2Fc%2F8%2Fbatman_approves_thumbs_up_by_bolt187-d6z0hy2.jpg&hash=bb9a5871e7505cee20e3f3789ce49bae6e7ab80f)
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Interesting.
How do you make sure the level will last long enough?
Will there be dynamic blockers / random events ?
Would it be possible to extend / add own modules to this framework?
Campaign, does it mean mappers can make a bridge from map A to B ( reuse loadout from last map ) or unlock anything from A to B ?
Can't wait for an alpha to test <3
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looks good 8)
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Sounds awesome! I am interested in how you would prevent players from just running from one side to another though, like deadra said. But it's a very nice idea! Can't wait to see some ingame action!!
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+1 respect for you :rainbow:
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Yea, it seems like you'd have to have zombies that are faster than players in order to keep you from just running past them and if you do that then you will need to allow players to take more than a few hits AND no objective? I think I've played this game already...um...oh yea it's called L4D.
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So this is like Zombies meets Left 4 Dead? AWESOME!!!
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Yea, it seems like you'd have to have zombies that are faster than players in order to keep you from just running past them and if you do that then you will need to allow players to take more than a few hits AND no objective? I think I've played this game already...um...oh yea it's called L4D.
I suggested adding powerups like zombies but you can get things like gun attachments, sights, ammo, ETC and objectives but he doesn't seem to be for either.
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Nice! Can't wait!
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I suggested adding powerups like zombies but you can get things like gun attachments, sights, ammo, ETC and objectives but he doesn't seem to be for either.
We're thinking of not doing powerups at all, but hey if you can persuade us by all means go ahead :P
Post Merge: June 02, 2014, 07:29:30 pm
Sounds awesome! I am interested in how you would prevent players from just running from one side to another though, like deadra said. But it's a very nice idea! Can't wait to see some ingame action!!
At the moment we're looking into various events that occur when a player reaches a point in the map, so something like in the beginning we might have some player take time to find parts scattered in the first area in order to move the debris. (Won't be an easy challenge :P)
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We're thinking of not doing powerups at all, but hey if you can persuade us by all means go ahead :P
Post Merge: June 02, 2014, 07:29:30 pm
At the moment we're looking into various events that occur when a player reaches a point in the map, so something like in the beginning we might have some player take time to find parts scattered in the first area in order to move the debris. (Won't be an easy challenge :P)
you can do extinction type thing where u got to protect something, kill a boss, or have a blocker fall
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At the moment we're looking into various events that occur when a player reaches a point in the map, so something like in the beginning we might have some player take time to find parts scattered in the first area in order to move the debris. (Won't be an easy challenge :P)
Players must locate a mobile crane and take it across map to demolish a giant wall keeping them in this portion of the city. After finding the mobile crane players must defend it and yourselves from zombie attack. Zombies will attack it from all sides including zombies dropping down on it from overpasses or jumping out the windows of highrise buildings onto it. On your way to the wall the crane stalls and realize that there has been a leak in the gas tank and now they are stranded. Players must look for parts to repair the tank and gas to refuel the vehicle. Later players realize that in its current state they won't be able to make it through the increasing # of zombie attacks and that they need to find better defenses that could be attached to the vehicle itself. They finally make it to the wall and must use the wrecking ball on the crane to destroy the wall and escape that area, all while taking out large #s of zombies in epic grand finale like fashion.
Step 1: Find the Mobile Crane
Step 2: Repair the Crane
Step 3: Upgrade Crane
Step 4: Destroy the Wall
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This is an epic idea :D Also may i add why have you got captain price as your profile pic when you work for treyarch? :D
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This is an epic idea :D Also may i add why have you got captain price as your profile pic when you work for treyarch? :D
Price is god dude.
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(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/357/c/8/batman_approves_thumbs_up_by_bolt187-d6z0hy2.jpg)
you shouldve said: Chuck Norris Approves :troll:
but yes, its a good idea
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Is there anything new about this mod? Im pretty exited about this ;D
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Some time later mod is back on again and we really need some ideas in which direction to take the mod in.
If you have some good ideas and would like to contribute them comment on it in this thread or place it in: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H9fMLZXcnrqGrBEBjDQIBhCLb4zejD8RFZsj4Iggcro/edit?usp=sharing
Once again guys please be civil in both the document and in replies, we want to get this mod out for everyone to enjoy so please be smart about this.
Thanks again 8)
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do u have a rough date for when this will drop? I'd like to make a map for this, but wanna play safe and know it will even release :please:
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do u have a rough date for when this will drop? I'd like to make a map for this, but wanna play safe and know it will even release :please:
There isn't one as we're both working on this on our free time (I have more time than Sparky so yeah).
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Love this idea, added some of my own ideas to the drive doc. I also share interest in some of the ideas that were there.
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Nice! Ive been thinking about something like that aswell but now i dont need to script it myself :please:
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do u have a rough date for when this will drop? I'd like to make a map for this, but wanna play safe and know it will even release :please:
We are thinking of having an "early access" build that is publicly updated once a week (once we get something worth playing). And then tweaking / adding to / removing what the community thinks is fun.
Or would you guys rather wait for more finalized builds to go into the wild?
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We are thinking of having an "early access" build that is publicly updated once a week (once we get something worth playing). And then tweaking / adding to / removing what the community thinks is fun.
Or would you guys rather wait for more finalized builds to go into the wild?
I personally would wait, as I like playing completely finished maps, though I'm sure there are a lot of people who would love to play early versions of it.
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We are thinking of having an "early access" build that is publicly updated once a week (once we get something worth playing). And then tweaking / adding to / removing what the community thinks is fun.
Or would you guys rather wait for more finalized builds to go into the wild?
I would like to see a public beta.
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We are thinking of having an "early access" build that is publicly updated once a week (once we get something worth playing). And then tweaking / adding to / removing what the community thinks is fun.
Or would you guys rather wait for more finalized builds to go into the wild?
I woud rather a full build ready for distribution, then play a BETA that could possibly be buggy, not saying it will be, but you never know
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I woud rather a full build ready for distribution, then play a BETA that could possibly be buggy, not saying it will be, but you never know
I love when this is said
It would be advertised as a beta, if you "dont want to paly a potentially buggy mess" then you could... just not download it and wait for a release AFTER the beta
Why should the beta part of this concept just "not happpen" - how would these *bugs* be found otherwise? Youd just end up with a non-beta map filled with bugs instead... much better
funny that no one complained about the Halo reach, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Destiny or Halo 4 public betas
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I love when this is said
It would be advertised as a beta, if you "dont want to paly a potentially buggy mess" then you could... just not download it and wait for a release AFTER the beta
Why should the beta part of this concept just "not happpen" - how would these *bugs* be found otherwise? Youd just end up with a non-beta map filled with bugs instead... much better
funny that no one complained about the Halo reach, Battlefield 4, Battlefield Hardline, Destiny or Halo 4 public betas
You've got a point, but i wouldn't want a Public BETA, since every young member of the community will just play it and not bother testing anything, which is a shame.
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well, basically that leaves a lose lose situation
Even with personally chosen testers, at least 50% of bugs go unnoticed until release. Personally I think having a limited time public beta is good just to find those
But to the same effect, yes all the kiddies will jump on, and start complaining about bugs and glitches, despite that being the very reason the beta exists (Yeah im looking at all you that complained about requiem and Viking ;) )
Basically, my point is, either way, there is still going to be problems and bugs, its natural. Getting it right on the first release even Treyarch seem to struggle with
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We are thinking of having an "early access" build that is publicly updated once a week (once we get something worth playing). And then tweaking / adding to / removing what the community thinks is fun.
Or would you guys rather wait for more finalized builds to go into the wild?
How about public sign up for early access. If you rather wait, wait. If you complain about bugs instead of being productive, your off the list, or on the list of not beta approved. So it will be semi private as in you will control who you agree to have it, but limited control since it could be redistributed potentially.
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How about public sign up for early access. If you rather wait, wait. If you complain about bugs instead of being productive, your off the list, or on the list of not beta approved. So it will be semi private as in you will control who you agree to have it, but limited control since it could be redistributed potentially.
sounds good to me, incentive to behave
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How about public sign up for early access. If you rather wait, wait. If you complain about bugs instead of being productive, your off the list, or on the list of not beta approved. So it will be semi private as in you will control who you agree to have it, but limited control since it could be redistributed potentially.
So your saying they should do something other than report bugs? Isn't that kind of the point of beta testing, to complain about bugs/issues that you find? Would you rather they lie and tell you that the map is perfect and has nothing wrong with it, only for non beta testers to complain on release?
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So your saying they should do something other than report bugs? Isn't that kind of the point of beta testing, to complain about bugs/issues that you find? Would you rather they lie and tell you that the map is perfect and has nothing wrong with it, only for non beta testers to complain on release?
Complaining about bugs is not just the point of beta testing, it's the point of life am I right Deadra? ;D
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So your saying they should do something other than report bugs? Isn't that kind of the point of beta testing, to complain about bugs/issues that you find? Would you rather they lie and tell you that the map is perfect and has nothing wrong with it, only for non beta testers to complain on release?
I guess you misunderstood what I meant by "complain about bugs instead of being productive". Being productive would include bug reporting, and giving your opinion. Complaining would include making negative comments that added nothing constructive, or to just start drama for no reason. Kind of like your comment, pointless.
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Kind of like your comment, pointless.
*Sniff* You smell that? I smell burned DD :D
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*Sniff* You smell that? I smell burned DD :D
Really? I smell wiffy banta...
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So your saying they should do something other than report bugs? Isn't that kind of the point of beta testing, to complain about bugs/issues that you find? Would you rather they lie and tell you that the map is perfect and has nothing wrong with it, only for non beta testers to complain on release?
difference between being constructive, finding, identifying and checking bugs, reporting them properly
To the majority of people, they just complain and whine, giving no specific explination as to what happened or even remotely aware of what was happening at the time - Just look at leviathan, 100 odd people going G SPAWN FIX THE MAP!!! - Nearly none explained ANY further than that
Next look at requiem, do you know just how many people complained over that? And for the most part its infact, VERY good? AND IT WAS A "BETA" - something people struggle with the concept of
Project viking, people were reporting bugs that were frickin features
Other people just wanna complain about gun stats, DESPITE the fact we LITERALLY copied the BO2 files in most of these cases, therefore are identical
Stuff like that is just annoying and makes us not even wanna look at fixing these bugs, as we might as well just test, make, play everything ourselves in that case
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difference between being constructive, finding, identifying and checking bugs, reporting them properly
To the majority of people, they just complain and whine, giving no specific explination as to what happened or even remotely aware of what was happening at the time - Just look at leviathan, 100 odd people going G SPAWN FIX THE MAP!!! - Nearly none explained ANY further than that
Next look at requiem, do you know just how many people complained over that? And for the most part its infact, VERY good? AND IT WAS A "BETA" - something people struggle with the concept of
Project viking, people were reporting bugs that were frickin features
Other people just wanna complain about gun stats, DESPITE the fact we LITERALLY copied the BO2 files in most of these cases, therefore are identical
Stuff like that is just annoying and makes us not even wanna look at fixing these bugs, as we might as well just test, make, play everything ourselves in that case
Which is why you probably shouldn't give betas to people who know little about how the game works, or split the beta between the first 'closed' and the second 'open' phases to iron out the worst issues like G Spawn errors beforehand.
In the case of leviathan though, i feel like the amount of people complaining is completely justified since I personally suggested that they get better testers in their WIP topic to begin with - which they ignored - and probably wouldn't have as many people complaining about bugs in the first place. Not saying it'd be perfect, just a little better.
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yea right... coz everyone just telepathically "knows" if someone is gonna be good at it or not...
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yea right... coz everyone just telepathically "knows" if someone is gonna be good at it or not...
Deductive reasoning.
Has person X participated in any betas recently?
Has person X reported any bugs while participating in a beta?
Has person X created a custom map before?
Has person X created a custom map that works?
etc.
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Before we get anymore hostile let's just press the restart button :D
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Deductive reasoning.
Has person X participated in any betas recently?
Has person X reported any bugs while participating in a beta?
Has person X created a custom map before?
Has person X created a custom map that works?
etc.
So after maybe 2 years, I still don't know what makes a map good? Nice to know.
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Before we get anymore hostile let's just press the restart button :D
Agreed.
Anyway, whatever you and that sexy beast known as SparkyMcSparks plan on doing for the beta, i definitely want in. ;D
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Before we get anymore hostile let's just press the restart button
was never hostile, just pointing out the silly side of that argument
Has person X participated in any betas recently? - people can easily lie, or would you expect em to reel off a list of proof with time stamps, or mayhaps a list of references we could contact via the post? Maybe we should also contact the mapper in question and do a personality check on the individual, and check he didnt leave part way or waste anyones time eh
Has person X reported any bugs while participating in a beta? - people can easily lie - or again shall we have them show us somebody elses private beta info to prove it?
Has person X created a custom map before? - you dont NEED to be a mapper to test a map
Has person X created a custom map that works? - again - not interviewing, not applying to help create it in anyway, they are supposed to be regular players out to see what bugs they encounter, not diagnose all the causes and bug fix it themselves
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By those standards, the only people who qualify, are the best of the best who are "already" busy with their own works that need beta testing...
Agree to disagree i think ::)
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When the time comes we'll think of something just be prepared to sit back for now. Development is under way~
- Could use some suggestions on possible abilities for each character.
So far the break down is...
| Richtofen | Dempsey | Nikolai | Takeo |
| Role | Marksman | Tank | Fighter | Assassin |
| Hero Weapon | Wunderwaffe | | | Katana |
Each character will have / need two abilities that supports their given role: something to provide a burst in gameplay for a short period of time but won't clear out all the zombies in the map.
e.g., Takeo will automatically chain kill 5 zombies with a quick slice from his Katana. Or Dempsey will become invulnerable for 10 seconds.
Also looking for suggestions for wonder weapon ideas for Dempsey and Nikolai.
Let us know what YOU would like to see!
We're trying to release an early build sometime this month that way people can start providing feedback and/or using it for the UGX-Mods & ZomMods Mapping Contest 2015 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php?topic=7267.0).
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Area affect ground pound, tank.
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Fighter, enter in berserker mode every 20 headshots for only 10 sec, he do more damage with knife and have extra health :D
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Area affect ground pound, tank.
^this
And for Nikolia, takes a swig of vodka then spits fire.
Weapon for Nikolia could be an upgraded super-OP PPSh... because Russia.
Weapon for Dempsy could be the Thundergun.
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^this
And for Nikolia, takes a swig of vodka then spits fire.
Weapon for Nikolia could be an upgraded super-OP PPSh... because Russia.
Weapon for Dempsy could be the Thundergun.
I was thinking Minigun, since Thundergun is russian, give it to nikolai
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thundergun is a combination of russian and german. Hence why Richtofen calls it the DG3, him and Maxis were "involved" as well as that dude from Ascention whos name i always forget (Its not Gersch, the other guy, Yuri I think his name was)
They also explain that its low ammo count is actually a "problem" with its design that they were ultimately trying to fix, albeit unsuccessfully. I liked that touch, little bit of back ground for a guns ammo capacity lol
Always made me think a TG mkII was coming though, sadly it didnt lol
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I was thinking Minigun, since Thundergun is russian, give it to nikolai
forgot about that lol
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thundergun is a combination of russian and german. Hence why Richtofen calls it the DG3, him and Maxis were "involved" as well as that dude from Ascention whos name i always forget (Its not Gersch, the other guy, Yuri I think his name was)
They also explain that its low ammo count is actually a "problem" with its design that they were ultimately trying to fix, albeit unsuccessfully. I liked that touch, little bit of back ground for a guns ammo capacity lol
Always made me think a TG mkII was coming though, sadly it didnt lol
but you get the idea, it is russian/german hybrid, but it's closer to russian than american, that's the point i'm trying to prove, because the Minigun is MURICA, while the Thundergun is russian and german
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Yea i get ya, i just cant control my need to share pointless facts is all lol :D
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Always made me think a TG mkII was coming though, sadly it didnt lol
Or is it? :troll:
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Or is it? :troll:
Black Ops 3 Wonderweapon Confirmed :please:
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Black Ops 3 Wonderweapon Confirmed :please:
Nah it's going to be all about lasers coming out of your characters butt as a perk.
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Nah it's going to be all about lasers coming out of your characters butt as a perk.
... actually sounds kinda awesome
ENEMY IN FRONT, EVERYONE FACE THE OTHERWAY NOW! FIRE!
lol, im so crude ;)
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... actually sounds kinda awesome
ENEMY IN FRONT, EVERYONE FACE THE OTHERWAY NOW! FIRE!
lol, im so crude ;)
Laser Diarrhea Campers. Now I not only get their "balls" in my face, but they can shoot me with their assholes. GG Treyarch.
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Give Dempsey some sort of up close, in your face melee weapon....some new kind of riot shield on steroids.
Or better yet, fuck a weapon, let him bare knuckle bash the zombies heads in!
....ok, I mighta got a lil worked up there for a sec :o ::)
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I checked the Google Docs and saw all the content deleted, does that mean this is cancelled?
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I checked the Google Docs and saw all the content deleted, does that mean this is cancelled?
Some asshole deleted it.
http://i.imgur.com/zjP8DMO.png (http://i.imgur.com/zjP8DMO.png)
Restored it back to my last previous edit.
We might also move this to BO3 due to Nightmare mode.
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Oh cool, haven't played Nightmare mode yet, but the idea sounds cool.
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look pretty sweet. depending on the release time i might use this for TLSR, the map was never really intended too be used for something like this but itll fit with the story.
Though i have a few questions: Will the objectives be randomized or will we have too set specific obstacles/objectives.(example: say a struct is where the obstacle/objective is. would we be able too specify whether it is a: hold out for 5 min, or will it give you one of many different obstacles/objectives?) Also will we be able too set the places where the objectives/obstacles are and their order? Will we be able too have new areas open up as we complete objectives/clear obstacles. And how many objectives/obstacles will we be able too have at one time?