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Title: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Koan on June 13, 2016, 06:48:27 pm
I figured I'd make a poll so we can see just how we all feel about the section, since many people on the forum and in chat have expressed their contempt for it. Obviously not binding, the results can simply exist for the UGX team to ponder over.

Vote away!
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 13, 2016, 06:49:04 pm
lol yes...
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Screiße on June 13, 2016, 06:52:41 pm
It should be. Everybody just wants new guns with remake maps( me too lmao).
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 13, 2016, 06:59:38 pm
make 2

a custom "mod" section, and a custom map section

then we can tell the dumbass i want X gun people to post in the right section
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Screiße on June 13, 2016, 07:09:38 pm
make 2

a custom "mod" section, and a custom map section

then we can tell the dumbass i want X gun people to post in the right section
^this
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: MAK911 on June 13, 2016, 07:22:01 pm
I want to keep the custom map ideas section, but I'd like it if we added like a "format" to it for posting. This would at least encourage people to fill in blank spaces that say stuff like "Story" and "Map Description." Maybe all of the blanks have to be filled before you can post too. There are some great, well-thought out ideas out there but then we get stuff from people like connor and...  :please:
Spoiler: click to open...
:troll:
It would make sorting out the idiots at least a little faster and then it might encourage them to actually read it. Even put in basic responses like showing that there's a limit to the number of weapons and general sizes of maps.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: tomikaze on June 13, 2016, 07:24:45 pm
I think that if people have a section where they can speak their minds and get ideas out there that they have in their heads that it makes them feel like they are a part of the community even if they don't have much else to contribute. I see no harm in having the section and if you don't like it you can just ignore its existence.
Just my thoughts; the powers that be are welcome to do what they want and I will not complain either way.

But yes, posts that are just weapons lists are uncalled for and are probably just trolls.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 13, 2016, 07:27:30 pm
needs a rule

"not for remake ideas - this is the CUSTOM MAP ideas section"

"not for listing loadouts - this is the CUSTOM MAP ideas section"

"not for listing impossible boss ideas - this is the CUSTOM MAP ideas section"
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Ramiabdh on June 13, 2016, 07:36:40 pm
I think that if people have a section where they can speak their minds and get ideas out there that they have in their heads that it makes them feel like they are a part of the community even if they don't have much else to contribute. I see no harm in having the section and if you don't like it you can just ignore its existence.
Just my thoughts; the powers that be are welcome to do what they want and I will not complain either way.

But yes, posts that are just weapons lists are uncalled for and are probably just trolls.

 
Spoiler: click to open...
Why do I always mistake you for DD?! (insert mad face emoticon, since I can't find one.)

Anyway, I agree with tom. If you just don't like the post, then you can simply ignore it. Deleting the section will probably increase the pressure on other sections, like WIPs, releases, with people asking can you make a this and that. Or maybe through unwanted pms to mappers. I'd say, the section is harmless, and deleting it isn't so beneficial.

Of coarse, site moderators and admins can do as they please, I'm just inclined to my opinion, that's all.

Edit: Maybe try adding some rules for what to be written, just like map reviews.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Koan on June 13, 2016, 07:43:56 pm
I think that if people have a section where they can speak their minds and get ideas out there that they have in their heads that it makes them feel like they are a part of the community even if they don't have much else to contribute. I see no harm in having the section and if you don't like it you can just ignore its existence.
Just my thoughts; the powers that be are welcome to do what they want and I will not complain either way.

But yes, posts that are just weapons lists are uncalled for and are probably just trolls.

Personally I think it should be about giving ideas for people to be creative, and providing sources of inspiration for the whole community, and posts that don't do that should be removed, but that's not something mods can police. I made the poll so we could all see what the general consensus is.

Maybe we should lead by example instead, posting a shit-ton of great sources of inspiration so first-time posters get an idea of the kind of content expected there.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: conn6orsuper117 on June 13, 2016, 10:45:23 pm
I want to keep the custom map ideas section, but I'd like it if we added like a "format" to it for posting. This would at least encourage people to fill in blank spaces that say stuff like "Story" and "Map Description." Maybe all of the blanks have to be filled before you can post too. There are some great, well-thought out ideas out there but then we get stuff from people like connor and...  :please:
Spoiler: click to open...
:troll:

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It would make sorting out the idiots at least a little faster and then it might encourage them to actually read it. Even put in basic responses like showing that there's a limit to the number of weapons and general sizes of maps.
Jokes aside He's right. There should atleast be 2 forums with a quick mod (for newer-1st posters) and Detailed posts for More veteran posters and unlocks for posters when they have more than 100-150 posts
make 2

a custom "mod" section, and a custom map section

then we can tell the dumbass i want X gun people to post in the right section
Same
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: ShotgunRagtime on June 13, 2016, 10:46:59 pm
I just think it needs more moderation. Posts that are just lists, or are ridiculously long and elaborate, should be deleted by mods. Although, and I've said it before in multiple threads, I think the whole site needs tougher moderation and this would just be part of it. I mean I like the mods we have now, I just think it should be site policy to enforce stricter rules.

Introducing a list of necessary queries to be filled out when making a post (as someone suggested above) would also be a massive improvement, especially with a MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM character limit.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: MAK911 on June 13, 2016, 10:54:09 pm
I just think it needs more moderation. Posts that are just lists, or are ridiculously long and elaborate, should be deleted by mods. Although, and I've said it before in multiple threads, I think the whole site needs tougher moderation and this would just be part of it. I mean I like the mods we have now, I just think it should be site policy to enforce stricter rules.

Introducing a list of necessary queries to be filled out when making a post (as someone suggested above) would also be a massive improvement, especially with a MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM character limit.
We already have a zero-tolerance policy? Are we gonna go negative now? Also, I vote against a maximum character limit because, if someone reaches the maximum character limit, then they most likely have more to say which provides more details to anyone that might take up the project. I mean, I don't read Smith or connor's posts, but I certainly appreciate the lengths of detail they go into to show that they at least care about their ideas.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: conn6orsuper117 on June 13, 2016, 11:04:09 pm
We already have a zero-tolerance policy? Are we gonna go negative now? Also, I vote against a maximum character limit because, if someone reaches the maximum character limit, then they most likely have more to say which provides more details to anyone that might take up the project. I mean, I don't read Smith or connor's posts, but I certainly appreciate the lengths of detail they go into to show that they at least care about their ideas.

It usually takes me weeks (rarely months) to propose these Ideas, Thanks. :D
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Xperience on June 13, 2016, 11:16:08 pm
I really like this section because some really cool maps have sparked from it and this gives non-mappers a chance to get more involved. But I do agree, a lot of the ideas and requests are trash. No worries :)
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: steviewonder87 on June 13, 2016, 11:19:57 pm
I really like this section because some really cool maps have sparked from it

Can you please name one? I'm struggling.

And the Tranzit 2.0 one doesn't count. :please:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: conn6orsuper117 on June 14, 2016, 12:37:44 am
Can you please name one? I'm struggling.

And the Tranzit 2.0 one doesn't count. :please:
I thought you'd never ask (insert creepy smile)

Ironhide space tether (My personal favorite Idea)
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416)

Die ruckkehr der nacht der untoten
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460)

NASA Cape Canaveral
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417)

Halo 3 Crowsnest
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211)
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: steviewonder87 on June 14, 2016, 12:42:06 am
I thought you'd never ask (insert creepy smile)

Ironhide space tether (My personal favorite Idea)
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416)

Die ruckkehr der nacht der untoten
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460)

NASA Cape Canaveral
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417)

Halo 3 Crowsnest
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211)

And where are the corresponding release topics? ???
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: MAK911 on June 14, 2016, 01:53:52 am
Connor sure showed you! I bet none of these maps will be trendy and have NSZ weapons when they come out  :nyan: :nyan: :nyan:
I hope not. Those weapons are shit. Even rorke has done better than tha--- oh, hi nate.
Spoiler: click to open...
:troll:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: HitmanVere on June 14, 2016, 05:08:25 am
Can you please name one? I'm struggling.

And the Tranzit 2.0 one doesn't count. :please:

@Uk_ViiPeR knows one :troll:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Scobalula on June 14, 2016, 06:30:53 am
I thought you'd never ask (insert creepy smile)

Ironhide space tether (My personal favorite Idea)
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10251.msg113416.html#msg113416)

Die ruckkehr der nacht der untoten
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,7147.msg77460.html#msg77460)

NASA Cape Canaveral
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6854.msg74417.html#msg74417)

Halo 3 Crowsnest
http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211 (http://ugx-mods.com/forum/index.php/topic,6424.msg70211.html#msg70211)

He asked for maps that were sparked from the section, not your shabby ideas. :please:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 14, 2016, 06:40:26 am
Can you please name one? I'm struggling.

And the Tranzit 2.0 one doesn't count. :please:
i was bout to say that exact same answer

Nothing good has spawned from here - it is "just" a verbal diarrhoea dumping ground
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: steviewonder87 on June 14, 2016, 09:31:47 am
He asked for maps that were sparked from the section, not your shabby ideas. :please:

Hey now these ideas don't just pop out willy nilly -

It usually takes me weeks (rarely months) to propose these Ideas, Thanks. :D

That's more time than a lot of actual maps take.

I mean pure inspiration like this - (https://i.gyazo.com/89bc0d01329ad6a0240a86e39062613b.png) - can take months to produce...
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: DeathBringerZen on June 14, 2016, 01:16:41 pm
Here's an easy solution. If you don't like the sub-section, don't read the posts. It always seems to be the same users who reply to posts in it that also don't want it anymore, and for the most part the replies are just rude and arrogant.

Who cares if people post wild ideas or remake ideas? Some of these users are new members who are not fully aware of the technical limitations and I don't think it's fair for the same few users to instantly reply to their threads with abusive comments designed to mock these users.

Terrible idea = Ignore thread

Good idea = Post something encouraging

Either way the section is not causing any actual harm so I don't understand the need for this poll. Personally I am all for keeping it as it's a good outlet for new users to try and contribute with ideas, even if they're not very good or technically possible. Again, those who overinflated ego's can simply ignore the sub and pretend it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 14, 2016, 01:27:56 pm
It's tantamount to "spam" I think is why it annoys us

We have to follow the rules in other sections, why should that one be any different just coz a majority of those who post there don't think or investigate

Sticky post - clearly explaining what sort of content is desired in that section - means they have no excuse

And a second section for "mod" ideas to seperate the crap from the "actual" map ideas - would prob lead to people "actually" reading them and not assuming it's the "usual spam" - which in turn will lead to it actually being a "valuable and useful" section

We can't just "ignore" everything - to some extent you guys should do something about it too
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: DeathBringerZen on June 14, 2016, 01:44:16 pm
We can't just "ignore" everything - to some extent you guys should do something about it too

Yes, you can or at the very least if you or anyone else reads the posts and decides they're stupid or impossible then if you(s) feel the need to comment do so constructively. This seems to be an impossible task for some though.

I do like the idea of a stickied post laying out some ground rules though and a separate section for custom mod ideas also sounds good.  Either way the section should stay. As said earlier, it's a good outlet for newcomers to throw some suggestions even if they're silly. It's down to the more experienced members to explain why an idea is good, bad or simply impossible.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Harry Bo21 on June 14, 2016, 04:12:48 pm
I wouldn't go that far, very very rarely a idea has come about there and a skilled mapper or team has made it happen

But to that effect it's like 1 in a million

My main point is that "one in a million" will be completely "ignored" by us - those who are capable of making it happen" because we are now expecting nothing but utter shit to be in there

Ignoring the section entirely imo might aswell just remove it then, coz the ones who can make it happen are the ones talking about this issue ( and look at the poll )
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: Koan on June 14, 2016, 05:08:26 pm
I go that far. The map ideas are like books and arent worth reading. I may get 5 sentences in before I quit reading :lol:

That's a terrible analogy :please: I would say the map ideas are more like your first crushes as a young teenager.

    You catch a glance at the hottest girl in your school (you see Leviathan gameplay on youtube), and then become infatuated with her, thinking about all the things you could enjoy together.

    Then you realise she's not the only hot girl (there are other great maps!), and so begins your horny teenager phase in which you become so obsessed with the hot girls that you start staring at them in class (lurking the forums), trying to catch a glance of the goddess.

    Eventually your testosterone gets the better of you and you decide to take a leap of faith - you ask one of them on a date (suggest an idea). You're just an awkward nerd so you never had a chance, so it goes one of two ways: either she lets you down easy ("sorry man this isn't really possible with engine limits") or she spits laughter in your face and announces your pathetic attempt to the whole school ("are you fucking serious with these weapon mod fantasies connor?").

    Either way you are crushed and you spend the remainder of your lonely, pathetic school life thinking all hot girls are cunts (thinking forums don't like any new users), without realising the bigger issue - you can't take care of a beautiful girl if you can't even take care of yourself first (you can't be the source of great ideas until you learn to bring those ideas to life yourself).

Whew, got carried away there, totally not speaking from experience. Fuck you Rachel you shallow bitch
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: steviewonder87 on June 14, 2016, 05:11:16 pm
That's a terrible analogy :please: I would say the map ideas are more like your first crushes as a young teenager.

    You catch a glance at the hottest girl in your school (you see Leviathan gameplay on youtube), and then become infatuated with her, thinking about all the things you could enjoy together.

    Then you realise she's not the only hot girl (there are other great maps!), and so begins your horny teenager phase in which you become so obsessed with the hot girls that you start staring at them in class (lurking the forums), trying to catch a glance of the goddess.

    Eventually your testosterone gets the better of you and you decide to take a leap of faith - you ask one of them on a date (suggest an idea). You're just an awkward nerd so you never had a chance, so it goes one of two ways: either she lets you down easy ("sorry man this isn't really possible with engine limits") or she spits laughter in your face and announces your pathetic attempt to the whole school ("are you fucking serious with these weapon mod fantasies connor?").

    Either way you are crushed and you spend the remainder of your lonely, pathetic school life thinking all hot girls are cunts (thinking forums don't like any new users), without realising the bigger issue - you can't take care of a beautiful girl if you can't even take care of yourself first (you can't be the source of great ideas until you learn to bring those ideas to life yourself).

Whew, got carried away there, totally not speaking from experience. Fuck you Rachel you shallow bitch

 +1 ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: tomikaze on June 14, 2016, 05:30:13 pm
That's a terrible analogy :please: I would say the map ideas are more like your first crushes as a young teenager.
Everything you said was like rainbows coming out of Ron Jeremy's pants. Ok, so I'm not good with analogies either, but what you said was spot on.
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: smasher248 on June 14, 2016, 05:46:33 pm
The section itself is just entirely worthless. If I am making a map, I want it to be my/my teams original idea. People who are coming up with ideas don't even know the tools half the time. It is doomed to be a section for stupid requests

plenty of maps have come from other peoples ideas, mine included

Double Post Merge: June 14, 2016, 05:49:04 pm
Fuck you Rachel you shallow bitch

:lol:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: MAK911 on June 14, 2016, 06:39:06 pm
Fuck you Rachel you shallow bitch
Koan be like:
Title: Re: Poll: Should the Custom Map Ideas section be removed?
Post by: conn6orsuper117 on June 15, 2016, 08:10:50 pm
That's a terrible analogy :please: I would say the map ideas are more like your first crushes as a young teenager.

    You catch a glance at the hottest girl in your school (you see Leviathan gameplay on youtube), and then become infatuated with her, thinking about all the things you could enjoy together.

    Then you realise she's not the only hot girl (there are other great maps!), and so begins your horny teenager phase in which you become so obsessed with the hot girls that you start staring at them in class (lurking the forums), trying to catch a glance of the goddess.

    Eventually your testosterone gets the better of you and you decide to take a leap of faith - you ask one of them on a date (suggest an idea). You're just an awkward nerd so you never had a chance, so it goes one of two ways: either she lets you down easy ("sorry man this isn't really possible with engine limits") or she spits laughter in your face and announces your pathetic attempt to the whole school ("are you fucking serious with these weapon mod fantasies connor?").

    Either way you are crushed and you spend the remainder of your lonely, pathetic school life thinking all hot girls are cunts (thinking forums don't like any new users), without realising the bigger issue - you can't take care of a beautiful girl if you can't even take care of yourself first (you can't be the source of great ideas until you learn to bring those ideas to life yourself).

Whew, got carried away there, totally not speaking from experience. Fuck you Rachel you shallow bitch

Eh Well Thats why they call em Crushes. but hey, It wont stop you from try to get with her...

 until she puts the restraining on you.
Dammit hannahleah! Why did you choose that smudge Paul instead of me, I dont spit when I talk or pick my nose (not as often) like he does

Oh well.

EDIT: Also If the SubForum gets removed wouldnt the 1st posters start posting Here in the Offtopic sections.